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Minix development has been abandoned?

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Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#51

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> No known bugs This is the part that I doubt will ever be achieved by any system or structure of moderate complexity or above. Everything that exists in the real world has problems with it. If it's a building or a machine, then it's done once it's built unless there are major safety issues. The cost of fixing non-critical issues in a physical product is too high to justify. The problem with software is that the marg…

> If it's a building or a machine, then it's done once it's built… Modern construction requires a significant amount of maintenance. The Romans on the other hand, they knew how to build a building!

> Modern construction requires a significant amount of maintenance.

I was raised with the rule of thumb that you should budget 1% of the purchase price of a house for maintenance; while that's roughly true for my century-old villa that I purchased at the turn of the century, I suspect that the hockey-stick of residential housing has made it a bit inaccurate.

And something that I didn't really understand until an architect cousin explained to me is that modern commercial buildings mostly have a designed lifespan, typically 50-100 years.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#53

Technically intel is keeping it alive. Just not feeding back code. It's sad though. Minix was the first ever Unix I played with! Because Linux only worked on the 386 (it required 386 specific features like task switching) and I still had a 286 at the time. Minix worked fine on that. But it was mainly good for academic purposes (as it's intended to). I never really ran it as an OS. It was hard to find software and it…

It was the introduction of paged memory management and a flat address space that allowed Unix like OSs to run on the 386.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#55
Intel is keeping MINIX alive. If you have an Intel chip there is a remote access to your disk even when the machine is "off'. Foreign governments leverage this to spy on USA, all vulnerabilities in the Intel ME are totally accidents and not intentional.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#56

Technically intel is keeping it alive. Just not feeding back code. It's sad though. Minix was the first ever Unix I played with! Because Linux only worked on the 386 (it required 386 specific features like task switching) and I still had a 286 at the time. Minix worked fine on that. But it was mainly good for academic purposes (as it's intended to). I never really ran it as an OS. It was hard to find software and it…

Microsoft Xenix also supported the 286.

The Korn shell's source code was an ugly mess in an effort to fit the text segment in the 64k address space on this platform.

The POSIX shell removed many Korn shell features to reach clear and maintainable code with the same size limits.

I'm able to compile Debian dash to a bit over 80k on 32-bit Linux without much effort. I've heard that it's 4x faster and 10x smaller than bash.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#57
post #15

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Probably refers to [1] 1 - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-mana...

This site breaks the back button on mobile. It inserts a page to the stack, and it seems under certain conditions that page breaks the link back to this thread. It happened to me after reading the entire article, but not when I tried without reading the article.

Oof. It moves to a "more stories to see before you go" panel. Lose a lot of respect for Tom's Hardware for that.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#58

Technically intel is keeping it alive. Just not feeding back code. It's sad though. Minix was the first ever Unix I played with! Because Linux only worked on the 386 (it required 386 specific features like task switching) and I still had a 286 at the time. Minix worked fine on that. But it was mainly good for academic purposes (as it's intended to). I never really ran it as an OS. It was hard to find software and it…

> Technically intel is keeping it alive. Just not feeding back code.

Then what Intel is keeping alive is a private fork, not the thing that's available online.

Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#59
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's a building or a machine, then it's done once it's built… Modern construction requires a significant amount of maintenance. The Romans on the other hand, they knew how to build a building!

> Modern construction requires a significant amount of maintenance. I was raised with the rule of thumb that you should budget 1% of the purchase price of a house for maintenance; while that's roughly true for my century-old villa that I purchased at the turn of the century, I suspect that the hockey-stick of residential housing has made it a bit inaccurate. And something that I didn't really understand until an arch…

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Re: Minix development has been abandoned?

#60
post #56

Technically intel is keeping it alive. Just not feeding back code. It's sad though. Minix was the first ever Unix I played with! Because Linux only worked on the 386 (it required 386 specific features like task switching) and I still had a 286 at the time. Minix worked fine on that. But it was mainly good for academic purposes (as it's intended to). I never really ran it as an OS. It was hard to find software and it…

Microsoft Xenix also supported the 286. The Korn shell's source code was an ugly mess in an effort to fit the text segment in the 64k address space on this platform. The POSIX shell removed many Korn shell features to reach clear and maintainable code with the same size limits. I'm able to compile Debian dash to a bit over 80k on 32-bit Linux without much effort. I've heard that it's 4x faster and 10x smaller than ba…

I definitely notice a speed improvement with Dash. Most shell scripts are too small to notice a difference, but it made a big difference back before the switch to systemd, back when init was a bunch of clunky shell scripts.
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