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Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by dsir »

ciex wrote: post #46
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Public networks are a lot more hostile than we realize while we have moderation armies at work. That may not be a sustainable model. I think the way forward is building the right tools to help communities self-manage. It will be more like Discord and less like Twitter.

It seems like the biggest asset that creators are creating are the communities that form around them and their niche. The people who consume content within a niche tend to be very likeminded and often times quite willing to rally behind and support the bastions propelling the niches that they identify with. Even for smaller creators, I've seen time and time again that all you need is one or two highly dedicated and engaged fans to make being a creator an extremely lucrative endeavour.

I've been working on a platform to help content creators diversify their revenue streams and offer their communities that become a sort of privatized social network as one of their product offerings in addition to their content. The hope is to allow creators to better capture their community and monetize from their niche.

https://sociables.com/creators

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Post by seba_dos1 »

raspyberr wrote: post #41
ipsum2 wrote: post #3

The people who care about decentralization and like Meta/Facebook are two separate circles, but its interesting that they're supposedly building on ActivityPub.

Like how they built their chat on XMPP and then rugpulled it away?

Facebook only had a XMPP gateway for their own chat service to let you use it with an XMPP client. You could never communicate with other servers from Facebook or vice-versa. It was Google who actually bait-and-switched with federated XMPP.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by johnchristopher »

elcomet wrote: post #43
threeseed wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Facebook's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Results: DAUs were 2.00 billion on average for December 2022, an increase of 4% year-over-year. So I think public networks still seem far from dead.

Facebook is a private network.

For a pedantic definition of private.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by seba_dos1 »

KoftaBob wrote: post #21

Their choice to make the app "compatible with Mastodon" (uses the ActivityPub protocol and is basically a huge Mastodon instance) reminds me of the famous Microsoft "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" model. Not sure that Extinguish part is going to work though, considering AP/Mastodon are open source protocols/platforms and easily forkable.

XMPP hasn't been extinguished by Google, but it did suffer quite a but.

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Post by v4dok »

I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social media.

Facebook, is dead for them in terms of engagement because its the "old people" place and discoverability is quite bad outside of groups. I know many people who use Instagram for social/policy commentary in their stories, and its very inefficient because its one-way. Pictures do not allow for proper discussion or easy discoverability of comments.

Even tiktok has better interaction via duets and pushing up new content all the time but conversation is limited.

I believe that instagram is mainstream enough to entice this group into a forum-like experience and drive insane engagement. Currently, if you are not traveling or doing some kind of beauty influencing, instagram is dead and its successor (tiktok) is limited to short videos. There is a legit market for more long-form/term discussion place in that (very important) age group outside of the US especially.

I am bullish on the offer, especially since Twitter seems to be prioritising US.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by schmorptron »

Tumblr said they'd work towards ActivityPub a couple of months back as well, I wonder if that work will ship at some point soon. As much as you have to be skeptical with anything to to with facebook, I still remain cautiously optimistic about this. Although the kind of content you can follow on tumblr is infinitely more fun than on instagram imo :)

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Post by tinyhouse »

aloisdg wrote: post #30
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

reddit disagrees.

Reddit is more like HM than a social network.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

johnchristopher wrote: post #53
elcomet wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a private network.

For a pedantic definition of private .

The precise definition being that it's private because you need to create an account so they can more accurately violate your privacy.
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