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Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

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Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

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post #41

I'm thinking that soon video and images are going to be just dead weight in journalism, adding nothing other than decoration.

Stock photos are already like that. To me they're worse than having no pictures at all. Generated images are better than nothing because you can make them very specific.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#52
post #27

What do we need human actors for at this point? Everything can be generated by AI now.

Please try to make an original movie that meets the standard of, say, The Godfather, with AI.

Please try to make an original movie that meets the standard of The Godfather, with or without AI.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#53
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please try to make an original movie that meets the standard of, say, The Godfather, with AI.

I understand your point but I think it would be easier with AI than without. Many movies are not made to the standard of The Godfather because they don't sell like MCU Movie #53 and if you include more humans in the creation you're more likely to run into the current system's restrictions. Making a movie as beloved as the Godfather would still be challenging of course.

As long as they don't suck the air out of funding for real movies I can live with it, but I'd still be sad that people are being trained to like auto-generated junk. Like how people are losing their ability to concentrate on long-form content due to overexposure to addictive short-form content.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#54
post #41

I'm thinking that soon video and images are going to be just dead weight in journalism, adding nothing other than decoration.

I think there has to be some kind of cryptographic signature solution, like "The BBC verifies that this image is authentic".

We already have most of the required cryptographic primitives for this. PKI, trusted timestamping, secure hardware with remote attestation are some of the necessary building blocks. All that's really missing are camera sensors with built-in cryptography.

And societal care. Our society seems to really like to whine about "the danger of deepfake images", but our actions reveal that we don't really give a crap, as we could solve this problem today if we really wanted to.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#55
post #44

The only thing that's new is the interactive interface the rest of it is old tech... You can use it on art breeder.com. Photoshop even has it in their face neural filter. GANs are not feasible for a variety of reasons you need to have models specific to your subject ie. why they change to a elephant model to manipulate the elephant.they are also not style agnostic but it's a great demo and the right time to release i…

With ChatGPT, the only thing new was the chat interface. In fact even Sam Altman mentioned this on Lex Fridman's podcast, IIRC - he said what he was most surprised about was the outsized effect the interface had on bringing LLM to the forefront of public consciousness, despite the existing maturity of the underlying GPT models. At least in that case it was OpenAI adding interactivity to its own existing models. But s…

The I don't understand the technology but will ramble about stuff until they just give up reading the comment approach ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#56
post #46
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are probably ways to embed cryptographic hashes within images. Any device that creates images from the real world could have secret keys that can be used to validate any image created by said device. We will still need a centralized party that holds the secret keys for validation through

There's no way this would work, either the master encryption key would be leaked, or someone would reverse-engineer the chip. Also, what about someone putting a screen just in front of the sensor?

No need for that.

A private key is generated on device and never leaves it. It sits inside a TPM or equivalent.

The public key is pushed to a well-known site, visible to all.

Every shot is signed by hashing the bits into a reasonably short string (say, using sha512) and then encrypted with the private key.

Anyone can now decrypt the hash, and compare it with the hash they computed from the bits.

The problem, of course, is that any transformation whatsoever breaks the signature. You can't adjust levels and contrast, you can't even crop. Maybe it's a good property.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#57
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With ChatGPT, the only thing new was the chat interface. In fact even Sam Altman mentioned this on Lex Fridman's podcast, IIRC - he said what he was most surprised about was the outsized effect the interface had on bringing LLM to the forefront of public consciousness, despite the existing maturity of the underlying GPT models. At least in that case it was OpenAI adding interactivity to its own existing models. But s…

The I don't understand the technology but will ramble about stuff until they just give up reading the comment approach ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you referring to my comment? I'm certainly no expert on AI, and if I'm misunderstanding the technology I'd like to know. What is wrong about what I wrote?

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#58
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The I don't understand the technology but will ramble about stuff until they just give up reading the comment approach ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you referring to my comment? I'm certainly no expert on AI, and if I'm misunderstanding the technology I'd like to know. What is wrong about what I wrote?

Yes, I am referring to your comment and I am not going to explain why everyone and their mother jumped ship from GANs and went all in on transformers. Well, there is still the Alan Turing Institute in the UK but even they gave up and are into NFTs now :D

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

#59
post #5

Hello, post-truth world! More seriously, I think that digital photos, and especially low-res surveillance camera coverage, will soon be inadmissible in any reasonable court, because tools like this would allow to forge such evidence in very natural-looking ways.

Being able to fake something really doesn't matter all that much, as you'd still need to get that fake video into the surveillance camera system and you need to do so in the time between committing the crime and the police arriving, and without leaving a trace and hoping that whoever you try to incriminate doesn't have an alibi.

Fakes will be relevant for Twitter, TikTok and Co., where random videos are posted and distributed without sources, heavily edited and compressed, such that it is impossible to tell if that video ever started out as a real video or a fake. But in court the whole thing starts to fall apart the moment they ask where that video came from.

Re: Drag Your GAN: Interactive Point-Based Manipulation of Images

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post #9
post #5

Hello, post-truth world! More seriously, I think that digital photos, and especially low-res surveillance camera coverage, will soon be inadmissible in any reasonable court, because tools like this would allow to forge such evidence in very natural-looking ways.

There are probably ways to embed cryptographic hashes within images. Any device that creates images from the real world could have secret keys that can be used to validate any image created by said device. We will still need a centralized party that holds the secret keys for validation through

You don't need a centralized database. You have 3 companies 3 different hashes. They catch bob stealing, on 3 different cameras. Each footage can be independently verified as authentic and not doctored. This would prevent anonymous found footage suggesting someone committed a crime.

You definitely don't want one single leakable entity.

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