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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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It is hard to fathom such a pretentious blog post. What response the author was hoping for when he created it? Good grief.

Someone having an opinion on how it feels to write in a language rather than objective facts about how it works? Blasphemy!

This blog post was very painful to read without suffering second hand embarrassment.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #24

Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

That fits exactly with non-fruitfulness. A discussion about programming languages became a discussion about someone's empathy.

"How to be a decent human in the world" is always a fruitful discussion. It is, perhaps, the most important one.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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His comment regarding preemptive vs cooperative scheduling, so which is it? Does Go have preemptive scheduling or not? I was under the impression that it did get that somewhat recently? Could anyone point me in the right direction?

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Foundations are often missing: semantics. This is the dividing line, I find, between practitioners and researchers. Like most dichotomies there is some bleed over between the two groups: I consider myself a practitioner but I tend to think in terms of semantics and try to keep up with the research. I know of many researchers who dabble in practice and build things with the fruits of their labours.

The difference between soil and foundation is almost as vast as the difference between soil and atmosphere. For people who think about programming in foundations they're more interested in how solving recurrence relations can lead to better optimizations; more generally speaking, how formal calculation of programs is influenced by or limited by language.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #45

Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

The entire point of Go is that it's designed for less talented programmers, i.e. people who can't understand or don't want to put in the effort to understand those things. That's the whole appeal of many programming languages, they massively simplify the mental model (for a price). I've been a lot happier and more productive since I switched to a slow language (which younger me would have been sad to hear).

Sure if you consider programmers at Uber, Google, Docker/Kubernetes "less talented".

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Just to set the context: I like Golang as a language, but I think writing a program that's more than ~10k lines of code in Golang is a mistake (honestly, the limit is probably a lot lower), and I also don't think they should've added generics, just leave the language as useful as it is. Anyway, I think the author missed the point a bit with his friends argument about "Go developers knew that all you need is a for loo…

> I think writing a program that's more than ~10k lines of code in Golang is a mistake isn't Kubernetes mostly Go? Just sounds like an arbitrary limit. I say that when I try to limit shell scripts to a single-scroll in editor.

Yes, because a couple of Go folks joined the team doing the prototype in Java, and drove the rewrite into Go.

There is a FOSDEM talk about it.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

that's your take away from this? so tired of hearing about the e word, and all this therapy talk in business/tech world. "psychological safety" and "vulnerability" (not related to security unfortunately) are two others that make constant rounds among the management caste. i instantly cringe when someone starts talking about this crap at work. please, just focus on your job.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

> How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this?

Friends are people you can talk like this about and they are still your friend afterwards.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can absolutely have friends that you have unfruitful conversations with. The idea that every interaction needs to be positive to constitute friendship is extremely unhealthy and sterilizing.

And also very American-ised. This forced positivity seems to be a cultural aspect of American life.

I agree with the forced positivity thing, I work for an American firm and if you're not positive, you're reprimanded. I had to be told several times to learn to feedback constructively.

While I do appreciate this, and I understand it, I just feel like a robot now, not a human at work. So much tip toeing around issues it all just feels so fake and there is little room for emotion.

Sometimes, I think it's ok to just be honest with people , but not in America for some reason.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Sorry if this is off-topic but I often see in HN (either in articles posted here, or in the comments) lack of empathy. He talks about a "friend" and then proceeds to say things like "To be honest, I suspect he didn't know or think much about them" or "This was not a fruitful conversation". How is that supposed friend, who might very well be aware of this person's blog, going to feel after reading this? Is it a cultur…

I think a lot of people have these kind of discussions behind people’s backs. I’ve certainly done it. Who hasn’t occasionally mentioned to one friend how another friend annoyed you? On the other hand, it’s not something you do in public. I’d be just a tad upset this person didn’t tell me how they felt and instead told everyone but me.

Yeah. A friend telling me I'm being annoying or stupid is fine. The narcissism of turning your life into content creation where I happened to cameo isn't something I could ever get used to though. :p

That feels like such a new and toxic dynamic enabled by the fact that anyone can (and is incentivized to) blog online.

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