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Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

shagie wrote: post #38
coffeebeqn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would we treat a parrot with GPT4s capability? I don’t think it’s a great metaphor because it ignores emergent behavior. Whatever the technical details are, GPT4 can hold a fairly satisfying conversation about almost any topic. If a parrot was 1000x better, it wouldn’t be a “parrot”.

This gets into part of philosophy and linguistics that I wish I took more of in college. Consider the question "does language enable higher thought?" Was Koko able to think things that other gorillas were not able to? Or how about Bunny the dog ( https://www.youtube.com/@whataboutbunny ) or Billie the cat ( https://www.youtube.com/@BilliSpeaks )? This is an "I believe" and acknowledge that I don't have the proper arg…

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Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by re »

akio wrote: post #40
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my very first interaction with Bing's bot, I was asking some details about PC components, and e.g. it was common for bing to give back answers containing phrases like "as we tested in our previous article" (verbatim, even using the plural 1st person). It is obvious it is just parroting from the websites it scraped. PC hardware means benchmark results which means benchmark websites/blogs which means the "as we test…

> I really don't understand why people ascribe emergent behaviors to these systems such as "theory of mind". It's just randomness. I'm presuming there's just a lot of psycological pareidolia going around. Ah yes, "just randomness": ---- From the above text, generate these variations: 1) For each word in the text count the number of letters in the word and append the count to the word in parenthesis. 2) Write each wor…

Did you notice that it made multiple errors for the first two variations? [Edit:] What's particularly interesting to me is the inconsistent counting of apostrophes for #1, and the handling of "theory of mind" for #2 -- though there are simpler errors besides these.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by daveguy »

re wrote: post #52
akio wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don't understand why people ascribe emergent behaviors to these systems such as "theory of mind". It's just randomness. I'm presuming there's just a lot of psycological pareidolia going around. Ah yes, "just randomness": ---- From the above text, generate these variations: 1) For each word in the text count the number of letters in the word and append the count to the word in parenthesis. 2) Write each wor…

Did you notice that it made multiple errors for the first two variations? [Edit:] What's particularly interesting to me is the inconsistent counting of apostrophes for #1, and the handling of "theory of mind" for #2 -- though there are simpler errors besides these.

Not to mention a third one isn't any sort of argument, just a statement of the opposite belief.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by bitwize »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #20
IIAOPSW wrote: post #13

Based on my previous attempts with that other well noted LLM, I don't think these models are at all good at managing "theory of mind". They seem to not keep track very well of which parties are privy to which information, which parties are supposed to be pursuing certain conversational objectives, and generally which direction information is supposed to be flowing. It often trips over itself at the level of 2 parties…

In my very first interaction with Bing's bot, I was asking some details about PC components, and e.g. it was common for bing to give back answers containing phrases like "as we tested in our previous article" (verbatim, even using the plural 1st person). It is obvious it is just parroting from the websites it scraped. PC hardware means benchmark results which means benchmark websites/blogs which means the "as we test…

> PC hardware means benchmark results which means benchmark websites/blogs which means the "as we tested in our previous article" phrase is common so it will just put it there in the answer even if makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by soulofmischief »

re wrote: post #52
akio wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don't understand why people ascribe emergent behaviors to these systems such as "theory of mind". It's just randomness. I'm presuming there's just a lot of psycological pareidolia going around. Ah yes, "just randomness": ---- From the above text, generate these variations: 1) For each word in the text count the number of letters in the word and append the count to the word in parenthesis. 2) Write each wor…

Did you notice that it made multiple errors for the first two variations? [Edit:] What's particularly interesting to me is the inconsistent counting of apostrophes for #1, and the handling of "theory of mind" for #2 -- though there are simpler errors besides these.

It has to do with the way text is tokenized into discrete groups and not individual characters. One way to try overcoming this problem is to ask the model to break each word into individual spaced characters as an intermediary step.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by [deleted] »

daveguy wrote: post #53
re wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you notice that it made multiple errors for the first two variations? [Edit:] What's particularly interesting to me is the inconsistent counting of apostrophes for #1, and the handling of "theory of mind" for #2 -- though there are simpler errors besides these.

Not to mention a third one isn't any sort of argument, just a statement of the opposite belief.

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Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by rahimnathwani »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #27

> browse https://electrek.co/2023/05/15/renewables-us-utility-scale-g... and make a summary I've been waiting intently for ChatGPT to have this functionality. I think there's a waiting list? Do we have any ETA on when this functionality will be possible?

Go to Settings -> Beta Features toggle on 'Web browsing'.

Then when you start a chat, choose GPT-4 with Web Browsing.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by bitwize »

daveguy wrote: post #53
re wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you notice that it made multiple errors for the first two variations? [Edit:] What's particularly interesting to me is the inconsistent counting of apostrophes for #1, and the handling of "theory of mind" for #2 -- though there are simpler errors besides these.

Not to mention a third one isn't any sort of argument, just a statement of the opposite belief.

The program Eliza could sucker a lot of people just by inverting pronouns and adding flavor text, e.g.:

Querent: my parents hate me

Eliza: Why do you feel that your parents hate you?

At a higher level, ChatGPT in that example is negating the provided text and returning something of opposite meaning but not doing much more.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by qingcharles »

gtirloni wrote: post #50

"I apologize but I am not able to browse websites" is what I get from Bing Chat. Any clues? EDIT: It seesm that "More Creative" mode has external access. I saw it mentioned here but I don't know how I would have figured this out from the information in the website.

OK, I tried this, and it appears like this option has external access, but it is actually just hallucinating a response based on the title of the document. Crazy.

Re: Summarize Any Article as a Dialog Between Two People with Bing Chat

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Post by qingcharles »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #57
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #27

> browse https://electrek.co/2023/05/15/renewables-us-utility-scale-g... and make a summary I've been waiting intently for ChatGPT to have this functionality. I think there's a waiting list? Do we have any ETA on when this functionality will be possible?

Go to Settings -> Beta Features toggle on 'Web browsing'. Then when you start a chat, choose GPT-4 with Web Browsing.

This only applies to Plus accounts, as far as I can tell.
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