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Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Can't you convert them into t-shaped keys by simply cutting the left/right arrows in half?

Part of the problem with the bar arrow keys is that the up/down are so small. I wouldn't want to "fix" the problem by making the left/right equally small.

They describe Apple as recanting though, but Apple's arrow keys are still half height.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review-framework-lap... ). Is that not your understanding? Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is holding yo…

Just from a quick browse through Framework's replacement parts, almost none of them specify which version they're designed for. So either they're all interchangeable with any chassis version, or the website has an enormous usability problem and can expect a lot of unhappy customers. (I don't own a Framework and I have no idea which of these is the case.)

The newly announced but not yet released 16" model has some also not yet released GPU modules that require a 16" chassis, but all iterations of the 13" chassis are interchangable and compatible and I believe the 13" parts work in the 16" too

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. Here are my questions if you can take a minute: How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently released?

I'm also curious about this for the 13th gen one. My hope is that it shares the 12th gen's excellent Linux compatibility (the only thing that doesn't work with that one is that you need to turn off the light sensor for the brightness keys to function properly), and that the Windows battery life improvements carry over to Linux.

(The Ryzen one isn't out yet, so nobody will have battery life answers on that.)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

I have a gen12 i5. The thing I am dissappointed with is battery life. Will a motherboard swap to AMD significantly improve on this?

Based on the reviews, a motherboard swap to Intel 13th gen will significantly improve it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or any machine with a keyboard) that has them.

Can't you convert them into t-shaped keys by simply cutting the left/right arrows in half?

That seems mechanically unlikely; they're probably attached in the middle.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Hi, thank you for founding Framework. Love my 12th gen framework laptop except for an issue with the headphone jack. Waiting on a replacement for that. I do wish the keyboard was better. See the Thinkpad. Using the function key for terminal paste + home and end forces me to spend a second to think to shift between this and my Thinkpad keyboards. I know you are coming out with magnetic ones-really looking forward to t…

Also, the thinkpad keyboards have arrow keys can actually be pressed.

I'd say the up and down keys are the two most used keys on my keyboard.

My 11 year old mechanical keyboard just had its first switch failure a month ago, unsurprisingly on the up arrow key.

If someone releases a proper keyboard module for the framework 16 by mid-december, then I'll be getting a 16', otherwise I'll probably going with a thinkpad.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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The Verge has to have some of the worst reviews on the entire internet. All they ever talk about is subjective stuff like how the product "Looks" and "Feels" and are seemingly incapable of doing any actual work to provide things like benchmarks, comparisons, charts, graphs, etc. Just more of the same low effort, low quality garbage reporting as usual from the Verge. Like how do you do an entire review and not have a single benchmark or even a remotely qualitative battery life test let alone meaningful comparisons to competitive products?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you coul…

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

The article, or maybe some other one, says it's a retronym. They started calling the existing ones 13 now that there is a 16.

The parts that aren't obviously for the totally different 16 are all actually compatible with the few exceptions indicated on each special part.

Like the AMD motherboard will need a new wifi card and ram I think, and this is indicated on the page for that motherboard. But it fits in the existing cases. Same for the new speakers, battery, hinges, screens.

There are some special chromebook versions of some parts and even they fit physically but I think just aren't supported in the bios except with the chromebook mother board.

So far until the 16 there have been many small updates but all compatible and no breaking changes.

The 16 is one new different platform. I think one new platform after 3 years is not a "constant iterating new chassis..." or however that was worded (phone won't show me that post until after I hit reply)

Basically it's not a problem.

(I have one from 2 years ago and have already replaced the motherboard from 11th to 12th intel, and the keyboard because of a spill. And am eying the speakers and the battery and the matte screen, and will probably update my hdmi & displayport modules myself.)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Hi, thank you for founding Framework. Love my 12th gen framework laptop except for an issue with the headphone jack. Waiting on a replacement for that. I do wish the keyboard was better. See the Thinkpad. Using the function key for terminal paste + home and end forces me to spend a second to think to shift between this and my Thinkpad keyboards. I know you are coming out with magnetic ones-really looking forward to t…

Also, the thinkpad keyboards have arrow keys can actually be pressed. I'd say the up and down keys are the two most used keys on my keyboard. My 11 year old mechanical keyboard just had its first switch failure a month ago, unsurprisingly on the up arrow key. If someone releases a proper keyboard module for the framework 16 by mid-december, then I'll be getting a 16', otherwise I'll probably going with a thinkpad.

I have a framework and never even noticed the arrow keys, because I've barely ever pressed them. Reading these comments gives me another reason to be thankful for vim keybindings.
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