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Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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This is one of those obvious correlations that for some reason everyone needs to question. It's not the cellphone itself that's the problem, it's the addictive content readily accessible therein. I'm no luddite, but it's pretty obvious that humans aren't meant to be bent over little black rectangles all day, addicted to our own insecurities.

The "obvious" correlations are the ones that need to be questioned the most.

I'm glad I'm on the "right" "side" of "history"

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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Yeah, I'm not giving my daughter a smart phone or tablet. She might be a weird outcast but oh well, it's not worth the possible damage to her mental health. I think in few decades we'll look back at this generation of parents who just shoved smart devices in their kids hands with no filter akin to handing kids cigarettes. It turns them into sociopaths. I have some younger Gen Z cousins and it's just weird to watch th…

> Yeah, I'm not giving my daughter a smart phone or tablet. i can tell you how this goes. when it becomes socially important to get one, she's going to do everything in her power to get one behind your back, turning her into an extremely skilled liar (since her entire life will revolve around this lie), a skill which she will use whenever an opportune moment comes up.

This is totally what a healthy and non-addictive thing does to children, right? Children being socially pressured into lying to their parents and hiding what they do is something that happens with drugs. The fact that it happens with smartphones as well should tell you something.

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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they say that celebrities stop maturing at the age they become famous.

Having too large a group of people know you is terrible for your ability to reinvent yourself as needed. You can't change who you are or even change your mind if your previous identity is recorded and attached to you. People need to be forgotten, and this is especially true of children.

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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post #45

There is so much instant dismissal of this entire idea that smartphones are harmful in this thread, most of which is just "correlation is not causation". Yes, correlation does not equal causation. But when it makes logical sense why there would be correlation, there is no way to actually measure causation (we can't exactly give kids placebo phones), we keep seeing the same correlation over and over again, why is it b…

It only took a couple of weeks going without a phone for me to see a marked improvement on my outlook on life and the world, so to me the correlations between phones and mental health are pretty clear.

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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I'm not sure how you would control for this. I was born in 1981, not long after the Vietnam war ended, and my Dad was a veteran with PTSD who never went to a therapist. My home life sucked and I came out of it with pretty severe depression. I became addicted to computers as a means of escape, and thankfully -- luckily -- it turned into a lucrative career. However, even though my home life sucked, society as a whole f…

> I have my doubts that it's about the phones. It seems more likely that their adult problems are the student loans, the cost of rent, the lack of jobs, the corporate greed, and on, and on. That wouldn't explain the sharp reductions in mental health among girls around 2012. Something definitely seemed to be going on between 2010 and 2014. Cell phone usage patterns could be a part of it, but I'd like to see error bars…

The global economy just tanked and advanced economies were barely recovering. I would see that as enough of a cause for children to feel a bleaker future and be impacted in direct and indeect ways.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/184723-an-analysis-of-the-i...

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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The causation could easily run the other way. In particular kids that have worse mental health use phones as a coping mechanism. What kind of kid can resist the lure of a phone until she 18? Only one with very strong mental fortitude.

Except the majority of kids have smart phones now and the rates of mental health issues have skyrocketed. "What kind of kid can resist the lure of a phone until she 18? " They don't need to resist it on their own. You just need decent parents that don't promote it at a young age. Yeah the kid may get out on their own and touch a few smart phones but if you don't addict them to it at a young age they'll be less intere…

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Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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Phones make the bad situations worse. If your parents are bullies, it's worse to have a phone. If your peers are bullies, it's worse to have a phone.

If a kid is in one of these situations, it's a little ridiculous to consider the phone the problem. It's like identifying belts as a big harm to kids last century because you don't want to deal with the actual problem of people hitting their kids with belts.

Re: Kids who get smartphones earlier become adults with worse mental health

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post #24

This is one of those obvious correlations that for some reason everyone needs to question. It's not the cellphone itself that's the problem, it's the addictive content readily accessible therein. I'm no luddite, but it's pretty obvious that humans aren't meant to be bent over little black rectangles all day, addicted to our own insecurities.

> It's not the cellphone itself that's the problem, it's the addictive content readily accessible therein.

Hard agree. My phone has revolutionised getting shit done. I have my calendar, maps for the entire planet, todo list, and so many other tools that make everyday, very average, life less of a chore.

But it also has dopamine dispensers like TikTok, Facebook and Instagram that are designed to absorb as much of my time as they possibly can and expose me to as much stuff to buy as possible.

Social media needs to be regulated like any other addictive substance. Just because we don't eat, smoke or snort it doesn't mean it's not just as dangerous.

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