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Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by lynx23 »

roqi wrote: post #24
commitpizza wrote: post #8

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> Get woke, go broke. A quarter of all US newspapers closed since 2005, and they've been shutting down at a pace of 2 newspapers per week. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/business/media/local-news... The same source extrapolates that a third of all US newspapers is set to close by 2025. Do you honestly believe that this bankruptcy wave only affects "woke" newspapers? Also, your "Get woke, go broke" comment is base…

"Voting with your wallet" isn't particularily unheard of. I dont understand why you seem to make a difference here just because the topic is leaning a little towards politics.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by vanyamarka »

sorokod wrote: post #17

Some of their reports were remarkable, for example "The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia" [1] - that takes courage. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

There's an interesting confrontation over that piece in the NY Times 'Page Six' documentary, which filmed David Carr, the Times's then media correspondent, interviewing the Vice Founders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLmkec_4Rfo

I think part of the Vice pitch was always that it was a disruptor of the old-fashioned media narratives, uncovering the stories to which boring old media was blind. I tend to agree with Carr's implicit critique here that we undervalue the journalistic, societal value of the sort of unglamorous coverage in which traditional media invests and at which it excels.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by pavlov »

slaw wrote: post #37
pavlov wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do understand that riling up right-wing nutjobs is a deliberate marketing strategy? Imagine you're a production company working on a low-budget docudrama for Netflix where you know it will be displayed as just one more UI tile among an endless tsunami of similar low-budget dramas from around the world. Which marketing approach do you think would work better: 1) Make a historically accurate show with the little mo…

There are not enough right-wing nutjobs. It is strategy of insulting thinking humans.

There obviously are enough of them because we've heard of this Cleopatra docudrama when normally this kind of production would have vanished without a trace.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by pavlov »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do understand that riling up right-wing nutjobs is a deliberate marketing strategy? Imagine you're a production company working on a low-budget docudrama for Netflix where you know it will be displayed as just one more UI tile among an endless tsunami of similar low-budget dramas from around the world. Which marketing approach do you think would work better: 1) Make a historically accurate show with the little mo…

There are just as many nut jobs on the left as there are on the right.

Of course. Provoking liberals for visibility is a time-honored strategy in right-wing media.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by lynx23 »

keyle wrote: post #49
hutzlibu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hehe, are you sure, you want to be filled in on the latest dystopian woke terrorism? It is the usual. They propagate homosexuality, gender identity, feminism. All the bad stuff. Probably also propagation of witchcraft, if you ask more religious opponents. (Seriously, considering Disney as progressive, is very weird in my opinion. And I think the person you replied to, did not actually think Disney is doing Propaganda…

I see. So remakes with women, gay people having roles in TV etc. I guess if you're a religious zealot that would hurt. I miss the days where you had to be intelligent to be on the internet. Sorry, but social media royally fucked up humanity into a polarised war of opinions.

Yeah yeah, girls get it done is of course the most believable trope ever.

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Post by hutzlibu »

keyle wrote: post #49
hutzlibu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hehe, are you sure, you want to be filled in on the latest dystopian woke terrorism? It is the usual. They propagate homosexuality, gender identity, feminism. All the bad stuff. Probably also propagation of witchcraft, if you ask more religious opponents. (Seriously, considering Disney as progressive, is very weird in my opinion. And I think the person you replied to, did not actually think Disney is doing Propaganda…

I see. So remakes with women, gay people having roles in TV etc. I guess if you're a religious zealot that would hurt. I miss the days where you had to be intelligent to be on the internet. Sorry, but social media royally fucked up humanity into a polarised war of opinions.

" Sorry, but social media royally fucked up humanity into a polarised war of opinions."

I rather think it made those polarised opinions more visible. The divide existed before, extremists on all sides just had less broad interaction. Now they read each other on the internet and can directly jump on each others throat. And with less restraint, than in real life, as all semi anonymous.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by hutzlibu »

lynx23 wrote: post #55
keyle wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see. So remakes with women, gay people having roles in TV etc. I guess if you're a religious zealot that would hurt. I miss the days where you had to be intelligent to be on the internet. Sorry, but social media royally fucked up humanity into a polarised war of opinions.

Yeah yeah, girls get it done is of course the most believable trope ever.

I am not sure if I understand you right, but are you saying girls are in general less competent?

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by caseyross »

chmod775 wrote: post #31

Some years ago they had a large audience, me included, who got great value out of their investigative journalism. At some point they started pivoting into some weird form of advocacy journalism and clickbait garbage, alienating their existing audience, and apparently failing to find a new one. Good riddance.

Isn't it more likely to be the case that no one was willing to pay for the investigative journalism?

You see this everywhere. The clickbait is a funding source for the real work. Journalists almost never want to push garbage on the public --- they're usually forced to by management, either as an attempt at growth-at-all-costs or as a revenue source of last resort.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by revelio »

slaw wrote: post #11
commitpizza wrote: post #8

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There must be some other reasons. Disney and Netflix are doing fine while pushing propaganda.

Disney is very much not doing fine. They just replaced their CEO for a reason and they've had a long string of flops, as well as having trashed the Star Wars franchise.

Re: Vice files for Bankruptcy

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Post by keyle »

lynx23 wrote: post #55
keyle wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see. So remakes with women, gay people having roles in TV etc. I guess if you're a religious zealot that would hurt. I miss the days where you had to be intelligent to be on the internet. Sorry, but social media royally fucked up humanity into a polarised war of opinions.

Yeah yeah, girls get it done is of course the most believable trope ever.

I'm sorry but they do get it done, just look at your mother. It's silly to silo roles based on sex. Embrace the differences, you'll live a much happier life, rather than being sold the idea of segregation based on anything. Segregation sells clicks, it sells views, it sells ideas.

As for entertainment, it's entertainment. If you're referring to women remakes of films, it's not my cup of tea either, it doesn't mean that it's bad entertainment and the other half of the planet can enjoy it.

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