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Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

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Post by Kye »

camgunz wrote: post #18

Bluesky's innovation over Twitter is to try and free itself from onerous regulation and scrutiny by governments. Their defense, over and over again, will be "just run 'govsky'", "just run 'chinasky'", "we can't censor you, no need to start Truth Social (lol), also no need to give us super burdensome regulatory requirements." They're doing things a little backwards, building a gmail before there's a big SMTP network o…

That's not an innovation. The EU itself and at least one EU country's government already have Mastodon instances. Quite a few organizations have as well. Truth Social is a fork of Mastodon.

Where is Bluesky's innovation?

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

#52

Post by Alacart »

voytec wrote: post #30
Alacart wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I've been feeling but I'm assuming there's more to this that I just don't know. I keep thinking, what if we: 1. Use domains/subdomains as usernames by just... having the content on them. 2. Follow a truly basic structure for index (feed), single post, etc. so that clients know how to consume them easily. 3. For interactions (replies, likes, etc), the client posts them to your own server (or service hostin…

> Use domains/subdomains as usernames by just... Username should be owned. Domains are leased.

True, but from what I've seen the usernames on every social solution, decentralized or not, are essentially leased too aren't they? Either they're based around a domain you control or they're under someone else's control ultimately.

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

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Post by [deleted] »

_x2o9 wrote: post #26
mjfl wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is funny because this demographic values blocking, banning, and censorship very highly while these are exactly the sort of things Nostr and Bluesky are designed to prevent.

Irony is lost on these authoritarians who are anti-free speech.

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Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

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Post by drngdds »

Not necessarily endorsing this (I haven't looked into the details of Bluesky myself) but one thing I don't understand is - how does Bluesky intend to make money? Have they announced a plan? It's a corporation, so obviously they have something in mind. But googling about it, I can't find a good answer. Centralized social networks bank heavily on the network effect, but you don't really have that if you make a genuinely decentralized network like Bluesky says they're trying to.

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

#55

Post by Alacart »

bombcar wrote: post #19
Alacart wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I've been feeling but I'm assuming there's more to this that I just don't know. I keep thinking, what if we: 1. Use domains/subdomains as usernames by just... having the content on them. 2. Follow a truly basic structure for index (feed), single post, etc. so that clients know how to consume them easily. 3. For interactions (replies, likes, etc), the client posts them to your own server (or service hostin…

The biggest hurdle is the vast VAST majority of people do NOT want to host or run anything, which means there is varying levels of centralization, which introduces the issues people have had.

My thinking is that it would be a bit like email: run your own server if you want, and the other 99% can use any of the zillion hosting services that exist or would crop up to do it for you with the ease of Gmail.

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

#56

Post by camgunz »

Kye wrote: post #51
camgunz wrote: post #18

Bluesky's innovation over Twitter is to try and free itself from onerous regulation and scrutiny by governments. Their defense, over and over again, will be "just run 'govsky'", "just run 'chinasky'", "we can't censor you, no need to start Truth Social (lol), also no need to give us super burdensome regulatory requirements." They're doing things a little backwards, building a gmail before there's a big SMTP network o…

That's not an innovation. The EU itself and at least one EU country's government already have Mastodon instances. Quite a few organizations have as well. Truth Social is a fork of Mastodon. Where is Bluesky's innovation?

"Innovation over Twitter" is what I said.

I think ActivityPub and Mastodon are alright, but I think a thing that looks and behaves more like Twitter will be more successful at succeeding it than something that doesn't.

I get that Mastodon people are salty about Bluesky. Personally I was hoping Elon Musk buying Twitter would be taking the Jenga piece that collapses the social media tower. But this is how nerds vs capitalists goes, unfortunately, and my evidence is all the walled gardens that sprung up in the fertile pre-web-2.0 internet.

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

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Post by Kye »

camgunz wrote: post #56
Kye wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an innovation. The EU itself and at least one EU country's government already have Mastodon instances. Quite a few organizations have as well. Truth Social is a fork of Mastodon. Where is Bluesky's innovation?

"Innovation over Twitter" is what I said. I think ActivityPub and Mastodon are alright, but I think a thing that looks and behaves more like Twitter will be more successful at succeeding it than something that doesn't. I get that Mastodon people are salty about Bluesky. Personally I was hoping Elon Musk buying Twitter would be taking the Jenga piece that collapses the social media tower. But this is how nerds vs capi…

Being the second to do something (without significant improvement) isn't what I could consider innovative by any definition I know. Mastodon already did the things you listed. Can you clarify what you mean? It sounds like you expect Bluesky to do what Mastodon already did, but better somehow.

Re: Bluesky Is a Scam

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Post by camgunz »

Kye wrote: post #58
camgunz wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Innovation over Twitter" is what I said. I think ActivityPub and Mastodon are alright, but I think a thing that looks and behaves more like Twitter will be more successful at succeeding it than something that doesn't. I get that Mastodon people are salty about Bluesky. Personally I was hoping Elon Musk buying Twitter would be taking the Jenga piece that collapses the social media tower. But this is how nerds vs capi…

Being the second to do something (without significant improvement) isn't what I could consider innovative by any definition I know. Mastodon already did the things you listed. Can you clarify what you mean? It sounds like you expect Bluesky to do what Mastodon already did, but better somehow.

I think the miscommunication here is that you think I'm talking about Mastodon at all.

Edit: cool music btw! I like the sophistication of your percussion.

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