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Post by anigbrowl »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #41
yellowapple wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been permanently banned from "the" libertarian subreddit specifically for suggesting that libertarian socialism is a thing that exists. It's almost as if their cries about things not being " real libertarianism" is and always has been good ol' gaslighting and projection.

What does libertarian socialism mean? I guess you mean to say, the means of production can be shared across all workers and still economic activity can be directed by markets?

That it's meant to be liberating. Historical libertarian socialists were very concerned with issues like female suffrage and freedom from oppressive social norms as much as economic relations - the sort of concerns that would be derided as 'woke' today. Many of them were anarchists and libertarian socialism is generally anti-authoritarian and often anti-state.

They were also alert to the possibility of socialism becoming another oppressive orthodoxy; Emma Goldman is famous for saying 'if I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution' (although this is paraphrase of some wordier remark made in an interview). Murray Bookchin is probably the best-known modern exponent of these ideas.

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Post by yellowapple »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #41
yellowapple wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been permanently banned from "the" libertarian subreddit specifically for suggesting that libertarian socialism is a thing that exists. It's almost as if their cries about things not being " real libertarianism" is and always has been good ol' gaslighting and projection.

What does libertarian socialism mean? I guess you mean to say, the means of production can be shared across all workers and still economic activity can be directed by markets?

There's about as many varieties of libertarian socialism as there are libertarian socialists, but your guess is pretty close. The usual endgame would be the abolition of the state in favor of cooperatives, unions, and mutual aid networks, though a complete abolition of the state ain't really necessary for a society to start to look simultaneously libertarian and socialist in practice. The big historical example was Spain prior to the fascists winning the Spanish Civil War; contemporary examples include Rojava and the EZLN (though the latter tends to reject any particular label).

The thing most/all self-identified libertarian socialists have in common is the perception that capitalism and the state are, if not one and the same, heavily reliant on one another, to the point that abolishing one without abolishing the other leaves in place the material conditions that make both inevitable. It ain't enough to replace state agencies with private corporations, because those corporations will simply become the state - nor is it enough to replace corporations with state agencies, because the bureaucrats running those agencies will simply become the new bourgeoisie or outright aristocracy.

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Post by StrangeATractor »

uncletaco wrote: post #3

Recently somebody replaced the skyline and landmark photos of the Birmingham Alabama page with their shitty smartphone pictures from an overcast day and have cried victim because somebody called their pictures shitty. To me that's the lamest edit war because it happened in February and hasn't been resolved.

TBF there's not many nice pictures that could be taken of Birmingham. Half that city is an apocalyptic hellscape.

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

George83728 wrote: post #13
rrdharan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, that’s great: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Birmingham,_Alabama (Dunno how to link to the actual comment in question from mobile but it’s near the bottom there)

> "I don't have control over the weather forecast, and i don't have the money for the best photography equipment in the world." Reading this made my head hurt. "It's not my fault the pictures are bad, therefore these bad pictures should replace good pictures." I think I need to lay down.

I checked out his talk page and he has photos from all over the US, including my town! And the pictures he has for here aren't good either!

Reminds me of a user I found who was, what I consider, vandalizing pages by replacing black and white photos with his poor quality AI colored photos

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Post by canadiantim »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40
epolanski wrote: post #31

Wikipedia is massively raging in edit wars. Before 2014's Russian aggression towards Ukraine, several Crimea-related pages pointed out (with citations) that Crimea tried to split from Ukraine twice already during soviet times, but this whole narrative was steadily rewritten after 2014. Considering how many people rely on Wikipedia to get "facts", this has always struck me at how much history rewriting can happen and…

My thumb rule is to ignore wikipedia for any article with a hint of politics. Unfortunately over time nothing is being spared from politics

It's surprising how far politics reaches tho

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Post by deafpolygon »

deafpolygon wrote: post #38

> Aeris vs Aerith She'll always be Aeris to me. > Star Trek Into Darkness Well, that depends. If it's a sub-tag, like "Star Trek: " then it's capitalized. Ergo, "Star Trek: Into Darkness". But if it's "Star Trek" going into darkness, then it's lowercase. Anyways, I think it's "Star Trek Into Darkness" (the different font on the official title leads me to believe it is more like "Star Trek: Into Darkness" so it should…

I don't mind being downvoted (or however it's called on HN) but, at least leave a comment as to why.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40
epolanski wrote: post #31

Wikipedia is massively raging in edit wars. Before 2014's Russian aggression towards Ukraine, several Crimea-related pages pointed out (with citations) that Crimea tried to split from Ukraine twice already during soviet times, but this whole narrative was steadily rewritten after 2014. Considering how many people rely on Wikipedia to get "facts", this has always struck me at how much history rewriting can happen and…

My thumb rule is to ignore wikipedia for any article with a hint of politics. Unfortunately over time nothing is being spared from politics

Armenian history related articles are always a great time in the talk pages. Lots of Turkish ultranationalists diving in, occasionally the Kurdish irredentists get in the mix.

Re: Lamest Edit Wars

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Post by uncletaco »

StrangeATractor wrote: post #54
uncletaco wrote: post #3

Recently somebody replaced the skyline and landmark photos of the Birmingham Alabama page with their shitty smartphone pictures from an overcast day and have cried victim because somebody called their pictures shitty. To me that's the lamest edit war because it happened in February and hasn't been resolved.

TBF there's not many nice pictures that could be taken of Birmingham. Half that city is an apocalyptic hellscape.

That isn't true. I grew up there and most of the city is residential neighborhoods surrounding a downtown that has been getting renovated and updated for the past twenty years or so. In terms of particularly photogenic places there are:

* Vulcan

* The Kirklin Clinic (designed by IM Pei, his first design I believe)

* The County Courthouse

* 16th Street Baptist Church

* Various venues along Birmingham's freedom trail

* All of the pioneer churches have pretty unique architecture.

* Railroad Park

* Five Points South

Even Sloss Furnace is a pretty photogenic ruin. Also Woodlawn, where I grew up, has seen a lot of love. I remember when it smelled like piss on 1st avenue but now it just smells like outside. And tbh I've yet to see a biker gang with an assless chaps dress code so I'm not quite sure what you saw as apocalyptic.

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Post by tobr »

smodo wrote: post #10
tobr wrote: post #6

> Was Chopin French, French–Polish, Polish, or Polish–French? An aside, but maybe this wouldn’t be as much of an issue if not every biographic article had to start with “ ( ) is a ”. I never understood why nationality should be considered more important than the reason someone is notable.

Well, before the metaverse, a persons geographical position and date of birth allowed for some inference of context. You get a 4D coordinate, so to speak. Doesn’t seem very strange to me?

Nationality is not a geographical position. It’s more like saying that someone is a “millenial” instead of listing their actual date of birth.

But unlike which generation you are born in, nationality is not a simple, fixed, unique thing that everyone has.

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