For how fast and how many upvotes this submission received -- why don't I see it on the front page?
OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, that's the most useful ChatGPT summary I've ever come across. I've never found it particularly useful for most articles which are easy enough to read/skim (the first and last 2 paragraphs will usually tell you what you need), but long complicated legal documents are a whole other matter. This is great.
Assuming it’s accurate.
ChatGPT picks up 80% of the meaning and rewrites it in beautiful prose. Or maybe another language, in the style of Shakespeare.
On the other hand, if you're in a field where there's an adversarial use of text and the uncomprehended 20% might be used to nullify, contradict or make loopholes in the main body, then relying on ChatGPT is similar to using Tesla Full Self-Driving in a construction zone, near firetrucks, during a snowstorm.
Re: OpenAI Sued for Fraud Allegations
#53While this is clearly a pathetic lawsuit, I do think it highlights that OpenAI’s status as a non profit is a sham. Likely they adopted the non profit status as a recruiting tool and they should drop it and join the ranks of for profit companies.
Ilya has stated it's a novel business structure. Certainly ripe for lawsuits.
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#54The argument in the complaint is that "OpenAI said they would develop software for everyone, but they gave early favoritism to YC companies, so they went back on their promise." This complaint sounds like a high-effort shitpost. The plantiff is filing this pro se. Just see the full list of defendants: SAM ALTMAN, an individual; REID HOFFMAN, an individual; GREG BROCKMAN, an individual; ILYA SUTSKEVER, an individual;…
Not a lawyer, but the claims seem pretty kooky and the plaintiff will probably have trouble establishing standing. For example, he claims that OpenAI wouldn’t provide him free access to a ChatGPT-using service and therefore misuses its nonprofit status.
Even if OpenAI were committing tax fraud in this way, they wouldn’t be required to give the plaintiff free stuff. That’s a bit like complaining the Met Museum’s gift shop won’t give me a free t-shirt. If the museum were separately breaking the law, they still aren’t obligated to give me a free shirt.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is yes, at everyone else's expense while making a profit from it. What's your point exactly?
How do you feel about factory automation? Is it equally tragic that a sheet metal hood that took 4 people a day to make is now 15 minutes for a completely automated machine?
As it happens I have actually worked in a factory before. Not for very long but for long enough to get an idea of the said "automated machine". Factory work is probably one of the most exhausting and labor (mental and physical) intensive jobs you can get in this world. It doesn't matter that the machine does all the smashing and mashing for you. You still have to pick up the ingredients, you still have to move the product from one destination to another. All that automation does in this context is it makes you do _more_ of the moving and more of the pushing. It doesn't exactly render your job experience as a dreamy paradise where you just click a few buttons (and these days you do have to click quite a few buttons) and the job is magically done.
I am talking about creative work. The kind of work where people had to go and first identify the issue themselves (not to mention come up with a unique solution in the first place), and then tell others how to work with it. In fact, there are too many variables for me to truly express how I feel or think on the matter.
All I am saying is that OpenAI knew that they were playing a dangerous game, and their only excuse is that enough "powerful" people will back their project for it not be stomped into the ground by regulations.
Do you not find it pathetic that OpenAI talks about security, precautions, responsible AI and so forth, and yet at the same time rake in millions of dollars in revenue? Do you think their goal was to 'advance humanity' or something like that? I'd be very doubtful of that.
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#56For how fast and how many upvotes this submission received -- why don't I see it on the front page?
It has been on the FP, I guess its weights have been quantisized.
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#57I think a lot of people have a lot of opinions on any kind of feedback that is related to, "OpenAI took everyone's content and is now profiting off of it.". The way I see it, the biggest losers are the average consumers. If you got skin in the game and you know how to automate the OpenAI API at scale - you're winning big. Google can't keep up with what is real or what isn't if you actually put in the work to structur…
> you actually had to manually put in the work and the hours to try and piece together multiple key points from 10 different sources to create one unique perspective It’s supposed to be a bad thing that OpenAI is making the world more efficient?
If "more efficient" is alternative phrasing for "not reviewing the sources and context that go into my piece": yes.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming it’s accurate.
Has ChatGPT been caught hallucinating on summarization tasks? My impression was that hallucination happened when it simply didn't have facts in the first place, had conflicting facts, etc. I thought summarization was generally fairly reliable, but I'd be happy to know if this is not the case.
Every summmarization is a choice of salience: what to include and what to leave ou, and how to express something in a different way.
The failure foolishly and misleadingly called “hallucination” is only one manifestation of an attribution error. If your summarizer leaves out something very important because it doesn’t understand it the result will be quite misleading.
For your average web text which these days is 90% filler and not important anyway, this is no big deal. This particular lawsuit appears the same. But for anything important, I wouldn’t trust it.
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#59For how fast and how many upvotes this submission received -- why don't I see it on the front page?
It was likely flagged, unclear if it was due to a) the difficulty of getting the complaint or b) the insanity of the complaint.
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#60I think a lot of people have a lot of opinions on any kind of feedback that is related to, "OpenAI took everyone's content and is now profiting off of it.". The way I see it, the biggest losers are the average consumers. If you got skin in the game and you know how to automate the OpenAI API at scale - you're winning big. Google can't keep up with what is real or what isn't if you actually put in the work to structur…
Counterpoint: 1. Humans were generating massive amounts of false information that Google couldn't keep up with, years before Openai appeared. 2. The people who stand to lose the most are those whose jobs are replaceable: information workers. I cringe hearing "but this is different than the industrial revolution and government needs to protect me". 3. If Openai "stole" publicly posted content, then so does Google, and…
A 1) Still, as this were humans, there was a purpose and an agenda behind this, which was pretty much the give-away. Now it'll be just junk content superficially optimized for high approval rates. And the economic incentives provide a strong hint for this being soon the majority of any (written) content, there is, esp. on the Web.