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Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hospitalJail wrote: post #3

> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

> get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished

This is a punt to committee. Likely what this meeting will result in. It’s as performative as it’s useless.

Suggestions of pauses have always been a farce. But I’m struggling to see solutions from experts, apart from constant predictions of generic doom. (I’m in favour of a domestic registry, so we know who’s training what on which data. Maybe a copyright safe harbour in exchange for registration?)

The other side is competitiveness: what can the federal government do to make America the best place to build AI? (I'm continually drawn to the Heavy Press Program [1], the era's massive forging presses being loosely analogous to modern training costs.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Press_Program

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by sremani »

The article highlights the White House's efforts to engage with top AI companies and discuss concerns related to artificial intelligence. However, it's worth considering whether these meetings might serve as a double-edged sword, given the potential for the administration to manipulate the AI community for political gain. As the next election cycle approaches, there is a risk that the White House could use its influence to shape AI development in ways that benefit the incumbent administration.

For instance, the Biden administration's call for AI companies to ensure the safety of their products before releasing them to the public could be seen as a way to exert control over these influential technologies. While it is important to address the potential risks of AI, such as privacy violations, bias, and misinformation, it is crucial to ensure that the government's involvement does not lead to undue interference or censorship that could sway public opinion in favor of the ruling party.

Moreover, as AI technologies like ChatGPT gain more prominence and widespread adoption, the potential for misuse by political actors becomes increasingly concerning. The administration's interest in regulating AI systems may be well-intended, but there is a danger that such regulation could be used to manipulate the information landscape in a way that serves the interests of those in power.

In conclusion, while the White House's engagement with the AI community is a necessary step in addressing the challenges and concerns surrounding artificial intelligence, it is important to remain vigilant against the potential for political manipulation. The AI community must work together with government officials to strike a balance between addressing legitimate concerns and preserving the integrity and independence of AI development.

note: I did prod ChatGPT the direction of criticism from the prompt, but this is as is generated response. Well, I be damned.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by visarga »

Mistletoe wrote: post #27
hospitalJail wrote: post #3

> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

Why are regulations bad? When there are no regulations the results are usually not pretty. Current big tech dystopia, stock market crash of 1929, UK textile mills worked by children in the Industrial Revolution... Why should we expect AI to not repeat the same abuses and errors?

> Why are regulations bad?

Depends, do you mind not being allowed to have AI without surveillance?

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by DethNinja »

jjoonathan wrote: post #34
gordian-mind wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are not the only ones who have something to gain from that exchange. Democratization of AI will also be used to push harsher legislation on the internet, in the guise of fighting "misinformation" (now possibly AI-generated!).

Genuine question: how should we fight LLM astroturfing?

How do you propose we fight government/corporate astroturfing?

At least LLMs will democratize the astroturfing.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by visarga »

jjoonathan wrote: post #34
gordian-mind wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are not the only ones who have something to gain from that exchange. Democratization of AI will also be used to push harsher legislation on the internet, in the guise of fighting "misinformation" (now possibly AI-generated!).

Genuine question: how should we fight LLM astroturfing?

Use LLM anti-astroturfing to fix it. Fight fire with fire.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by dimitrios1 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #27
hospitalJail wrote: post #3

> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

Why are regulations bad? When there are no regulations the results are usually not pretty. Current big tech dystopia, stock market crash of 1929, UK textile mills worked by children in the Industrial Revolution... Why should we expect AI to not repeat the same abuses and errors?

Regulations carry a cost of compliance. When regulations are being clamored for by the big players, I can pretty much guarantee you it is not out of altruism.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

GalenErso wrote: post #30
barelyauser wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who gets to decide who that person is? Back to square one.

That person will naturally impose himself or herself through the strength of their achievements and sheer willpower in such a way that there will be not a shred of doubt in the mind of the public that this individual is worthy of deference and reverence. No one decided Einstein was the greatest scientist of the 20th century. Einstein did his thing and let the results speak for themselves.

> That person will naturally impose himself or herself through the strength of their achievements and sheer willpower.

This applies to all dictators.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

jjoonathan wrote: post #34
gordian-mind wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are not the only ones who have something to gain from that exchange. Democratization of AI will also be used to push harsher legislation on the internet, in the guise of fighting "misinformation" (now possibly AI-generated!).

Genuine question: how should we fight LLM astroturfing?

LLMs can usually tell when they wrote something, so we can at least recognize it. But really, LLMs could be used by genuine grassroots campaigns as well - possibly make grassroots campaigns easier, since the skills to write persuasively aren't always available to the groups that most need them.

I suspect the observation that 95% of anything is crap will hold true, and simply have to filter out more crap now that it's easier to produce it. There'll also be more gems, so it's hardly all bad.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by permo-w »

zamnos wrote: post #42
rwmj wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone? Things like intelligence, consciousness, alignment etc are open research areas with a lot of noise but barely even agreement on the basics.

By who? The philosophy students are busting a gut at the laughable job we computer scientists are doing, redefining "thinking" and "consciousnesses" from first principles on every HN thread about GPT, as if parts of humanity haven't been pondering and writing books and books about those very questions for centuries, if not millenia. How many GPTs can fit on the head of a pin?

I wonder how many times has the question: “but how different is a GPT from a human really?” been asked on HN. would be fairly trivial to check tbh
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