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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by maztaim »

avargas wrote: post #27
jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by neogodless »

qudat wrote: post #21

Can someone explain the power consumption difference between one of these chips and an arm (eg m1)?

If this[0] is accurate and I'm reading it correctly, "Total Package Power Consumption over Time" indicates no more than 4W at any time (and often way less). Maybe someone can read it for me?

A Ryzen 7000 U-series CPU by itself has a TDP (this is not power consumption but rather Thermal Design Power) of 15-30W. This seems to approximate power consumption.

This[1] explores comparing the previous generation (6800U) to an M1 Pro[1] and states that the Apple chip is ~2.4x as efficient in single core Cinebench performance while being approximately tied on Cinebench R23 multi-core.

[0] https://singhkays.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-video-power-cons...

[1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-6800U-Efficiency-R...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bdcravens »

rtpg wrote: post #33
jaegrqualm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.

while in theory there are arm things available on various package repos, in practice I've hit a good amount of stuff not packaged yet (in my case, the context was more around people doing stuff via docker M1)

Is this current info? On the various projects I find myself working on (usually web-related across a few different stacks) I don't really run into any without an ARM64 version.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by cge »

Taywee wrote: post #9
column wrote: post #7

I am puzzled by the lack of keyboard layouts for Switzerland (we have the cash to spend on such novelties!). Also, no DVORAK? Is this for hackers or not? French Canadian $99 English International $99 German $99 US English $99 French $99 British English $99 Clear ANSI $109 Blank ANSI $109 Black ISO $109 Clear ISO $109

As a long time Dvorak user, I'm always baffled by people wanting visual Dvorak layouts and physically rearranging their keycaps (which is a really bad idea on many keyboards, with cap angle differing by row). Dvorak really speeds up touch typing (edit: hypothetically, or at least makes it more comfortable). If you're looking at your hands while typing, just use qwerty. Dvorak won't help you. You can use Dvorak regard…

For some reason, typing non-word-phrase passwords, especially unfamiliar ones, on a keyboard without being able to see the correct keycaps often seems challenging, even though I can touch type very well for text and for programming. It feels like there is some aspect of typing something that requires a character-by-character rational thought process to type that interrupts an instinctive memory of where each character is located.

With that said, having Dvorak keys on my laptop would make the keyboard unusable or very difficult to use for a large number of other people, and so even if one were offered, I'd be unlikely to buy it. Even for many people who touch type well, I think having keycaps that are wrong when one does glance at them is something that takes some experience to get used to, and a Dvorak user typically has that experience, whereas a Qwerty user usually doesn't.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by codedokode »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #40
laweijfmvo wrote: post #10

> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need DDR5 SO-DIMMs up to DDR5-5600, along with a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. What's a "Ryzen-compatible" WiFi card?

AFAIK there are two cards: the 2X0 and the 2X1. The 1 only works with (recent enough) Intel CPUs, the 0 works with both. It's my understanding that some things are offloaded to the CPU on the 1 models, which older and non-Intel CPUs don't do.

I don't understand this, does it mean that Intel has put a part of card's hardware into a CPU and uses some non-standard interface between the card and the CPU? If not, then why cannot any other processor process the data? It's just bunch of numbers after all.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by mfer »

TOMDM wrote: post #38
avargas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

That's pretty rough, one of the great things about the Framework was being able to treat all ports the same. Is there any explenation on why they couldn't achieve this with AMD's new chips? I'm sure they would have supported that if they were able to.

It has to do with what the chips can support.

Compare the AMD USB channels [1] with the Intel Thunderbold channels [2]. Intel has more channels for motherboard/system manufacturers to work with.

[1] https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-7840u.c3212#ga...

[2] https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-i7-1370p.c3055#ga...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by jonesetc »

tuukkah wrote: post #37
winterqt wrote: post #6

Title should be changed to mention the fact that this is about the Ryzen mainboard.

And what's all new today is that preorders are now open: "Framework Laptop 13 with AMD Ryzen preorderable"

The new thing is the specific CPU announcement. I'm pretty sure preorders have stayed open since the initial announcement a few weeks back.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by KeplerBoy »

Bairfhionn wrote: post #32
KeplerBoy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true though, is it? Have an AX200 series wifi chip on an AM4 Motherboard, works well.

AX201 only works with intel. AX200 should work in the AMD Framework as well. Edit: Info from Intel itself https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...

Fascinating, the specs seem identical apart from the different interface. I wonder what's the purpose/advantage of the AX201.
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