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Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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Is there a way to ask for a reasonably-priced custom made keyboard? I have a key layout in mind, and I just want a ready product, not to fiddle with hardware and firmware myself. The order lot is very tiny of maybe 4-5 pcs. The layout is quite simple QWERTY, based on Omnikey Ultra T.

How much do you think would be reasonably-priced?

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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Is there a way to ask for a reasonably-priced custom made keyboard? I have a key layout in mind, and I just want a ready product, not to fiddle with hardware and firmware myself. The order lot is very tiny of maybe 4-5 pcs. The layout is quite simple QWERTY, based on Omnikey Ultra T.

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Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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I've found that the best "split" keyboard is simply to use two decent keyboards on the same computer. When I am in a situation where I'm doing tons of typing (not that often anymore) I'll have the two keyboards a bit more than a body width apart. Unfortunately macos doesn't apply modifier keys (shift / meta / ctl) from one device to the other (IE if I press left shift on the left keyboard I don't get a capital L if I…

Can you use something like Karabiner Elements to fuse the two keyboards together into one virtual one? I do something similar on Linux with mice for middle mouse button scrolling since my Ploopy Nano doesn't have buttons.

In my youth I'd endlessly try to optimize things. You should see my fvwm setup. "Chef's kiss" perfection.

Regarding 2 keyboards -- mostly it just works. Try it. If you're like me you probably have a stack of random garbage keyboards within 30 feet of wherever you've got your work desk. Plug 'em in and type away. For me, anyhow, it works just fine - my left hand doesn't actually need to be within a foot of my right hand.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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Can you elaborate on the thumb problems from Manuforms? This is the first I’ve heard of them. I’m in the process of building a corne Manuform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSmpE_aefI And basically a lot of reports on Reddit. Eg.: https://old.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/ubcxup/e... https://old.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/umg2j5/e... https://old.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/lj3n45/p... Of course, these are just anecdotes and we don't have good research into all the individual designs, but there seems to be a pattern. The…

Thanks!

You’re really on one on this thread lol.

I’ve found that anecdote gets the job done for me. The $ values are insignificant for me considering it’s all work-related. The RSI has come and gone through multiple iterations of work intensity and keyboard (and accessory) configurations.

I suspect this is the main reason there isn’t much research in the space. The breadth is too large to research when trial and error quickly arrives at a workable solution for 99% of people.

With a little bit of technical insight into RSI, common sense goes a long way into finding tech configurations that work.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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My ~2000-era MS Natural keyboard has the following. (I keep it in a drawer, as an emergency spare for when I run out of MS Natural 4000s.) - Full navigation cluster - Arrow keys away from the main area - Ctrl+Shift in line on both sides - Right-hand Alt key - Right-hand Windows key and right-hand Windows context key (you don't need both IMO, however having one is useful as you can remap it to be the right-hand versio…

> My ~2000-era MS Natural keyboard has the following. (I keep it in a drawer, as an emergency spare for when I run out of MS Natural 4000s.) Hahaha! I have the same thing. I've got one original MS Natural still BNIB, and two Elite models each with a lot of mileage on them. I've long been dreading the day that my stash runs dry. Been keeping an eye on keyboard forums for years waiting for a replacement. The popularity…

Indeed. The weird navigation keys are weird, as they're in funny places and half of them are missing. And I might have some suggestions about better places to put the arrow keys. But there's a numeric keypad, and there's a full set of F keys! Progress!

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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I've been too afraid of asking on Reddit. I'd love a split keyboard with an integrated trackball but the community is creating an overwhelming amount of new content and products. I have not been able to find a good entry point. The threads often reference shops, specific people, firmwares or discord communities without going into details. Does anyone happen to know a good resource for how and where to get started tod…

> I've been too afraid of asking on Reddit. I'd love a split keyboard with an integrated trackball (...) I'd already be happy if there were mechanical keyboards out there that offered USB passthrough to connect things like yubikeys, a trackpad or headphones. So far the only one I'm aware that has those is the Royal Kludge rk84, but I doesn't seem to be a popular choice.

The Fnatic Rush G1 has a USB hub. I have my BIO-key SideTouch connected, and plug a wireless mouse dongle into the other port as the range isn't good enough to reach the next room where my computer lives.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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There's no one-size-fits-all ergo keyboard, which is why the dactyl has a configurator. You need to make test prints for your hand / finger / thumb size and splay and decide accordingly. Same for the other non-bowl keyboards like corne/lily58/etc, some people just can't use them. I've been using a corne for two years with absolutely no pain/issues (not that I had any issues before I started using it, though)

There's no one-size-fits-all ergo keyboard, which is why the dactyl has a configurator. This is a bit of a trope in places like /r/ErgoMechKeyboards/. However, it's a bit of an empty statement without further data. Of course hand sizes/shapes differ, but the question is if they differ enough to preclude designs that work for a majority of the population. If you look at e.g. hand length/width datasets, within a group…

Hand sizes differ a lot, and finger mobility does too. Also, the length of the ring finger is different for different people. So yeah, there's a definite requirement for different keyboards for different people. And it's not a "meme" or a trope, it does make a huge difference. Plus, it depends on the layout you use (or are hoping to build) and the work that you do with your keyboard, and the kinds of features you're using (tap dance, macros, expansion, combos, etc) and how many of them you can remember. Sure, you can go with a bog-standard split and it'll be MUCH better than a regular QWERTY. But if your needs dictate a better keyboard, it doesn't mean you're hyperoptimizing.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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> I've been too afraid of asking on Reddit. I'd love a split keyboard with an integrated trackball (...) I'd already be happy if there were mechanical keyboards out there that offered USB passthrough to connect things like yubikeys, a trackpad or headphones. So far the only one I'm aware that has those is the Royal Kludge rk84, but I doesn't seem to be a popular choice.

The Fnatic Rush G1 has a USB hub. I have my BIO-key SideTouch connected, and plug a wireless mouse dongle into the other port as the range isn't good enough to reach the next room where my computer lives.

Thanks for mentioning the Fnatic Rush G1 keyboard. It sounds interesting, but it doesn't seem to be featured in their site anymore.

https://fnatic.com/collections/keyboards

From the looks of their product page, I'm not sure what to think about their keyboards.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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The Fnatic Rush G1 has a USB hub. I have my BIO-key SideTouch connected, and plug a wireless mouse dongle into the other port as the range isn't good enough to reach the next room where my computer lives.

Thanks for mentioning the Fnatic Rush G1 keyboard. It sounds interesting, but it doesn't seem to be featured in their site anymore. https://fnatic.com/collections/keyboards From the looks of their product page, I'm not sure what to think about their keyboards.

Not current, but can still be had frequently as new old stock.

The current line is garish, but their origin is in dogfooding the hardware for their professional CSGO players ("team Fnatic").

I've been using it since it launched (~2016). Still works great, mine uses Cherry MX Blue switches, so if you do wear out a switch, it's an easy fix.

Re: Design a keyboard with Ergogen v4

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Is there a way to ask for a reasonably-priced custom made keyboard? I have a key layout in mind, and I just want a ready product, not to fiddle with hardware and firmware myself. The order lot is very tiny of maybe 4-5 pcs. The layout is quite simple QWERTY, based on Omnikey Ultra T.

How much do you think would be reasonably-priced?

In a range of 100-150 US$ a piece.

Perhaps 500-800 US$ for 5 finished keyboards.

Similar to this Omnikey Ultra T, in a similar build quality, but with few keys rearranged. I wish the F11 and F12 on the life side to be below F9 and F10 keys.

https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/hardware/...

I like the heavy metal bottom plate, but can be (cheaper) molded plastic.

My current Ultra T is at end of life, I am resoldering the gradually failing white ALPS.

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