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So no, I will ride a bicycle or horse or walk before I pay a monthly fee for a vehicle I purchased. It is like M/S with its 365 push pushing people to Linux/BSD or Apple with the fees they are hoping to tack on for Windows use.
There is a sense in which this can make sense, in that unlocking the power increases the chance of failure during warranty. So you pay to hedge against that. But we can be certain car makers will not be giving you the option to unlock this for free post warranty. The fact that you aren't given control of your car when you own it is pretty awful and a terrible trend. I expect the trend will continue, I've not yet in m…
At one point, the BMW M3 had a "launch" mode, which enabled a couple of bits to get the bragged about 0-60 time. The car computer also kept track of how many times it was used, and your warranty expired after 10 launches.
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Have we not learned anything? The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this.
> The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this. Who are these "advocates"?
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I want it to be simple and well tested so it doesn’t need updates, just like the physical parts of the car.
Simple means no advanced safety, comfort and other features, once software is involved it will never be tested enough especially at the price point cars are sold at.
In very rare cases where a flaw is found, it is updated at dealerships via recall.
Easy quick and frequent updates done modern silicon valley style are dangerous and absurd for something as safety critical as a vehicle. Things are practically guaranteed to intermittently break while you own the vehicle, because there is no way the extensive factory testing is repeated for each minor update.
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Have we not learned anything? The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this.
> The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this. Who are these "advocates"?
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> Don't you want software upgrades? Yes, but that doesn't require I give up freedom or control. The number of years a vendor provides upgrades adds value to the product (i.e. long term commitment or not). The cost of a car is so ridiculous any more that expecting a lifetime of software updates is probably a rational demand from a consumer. > but a lot if for safety reasons Yes, so? I wrote software for vascular ultra…
The current price reflects the expected software support, at some point it will be not economical and not feasible on the existing hardware. The best example is the interface- cellular 2G is not supported and 3G will go away one day. Vascular ultrasound devices are still supported because they were expensive, and support was probably paid on top of the initial price. The Mercedes HP subscription is not safety related…
- Your car will be a package of subscriptions. Want to hear radio? You can add a subscription. They probably will even provide up-sells like a dating service. Subscribe here and we will tell hot singles available in the area where you just parked.
- Your bicycle probably will become a subscription..
"Your bicycle subscription has expired" - https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/136xaqg/your_bicycle_subscription_has_expired/Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't you want software upgrades? cars are loaded with technology, some of it is for "fun" like navigation of music services, but a lot if for safety reasons and this requires frequent updating.
I paid for Windows once and continue to get updates. Same for my eInk tablet. Why should my car not be the same?