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Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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Which is ironic as the vast majority of the human population, including the very same people with such views, are only alive because of substantial amounts of machinery. Such as those used in the Haber-Bosch process.

lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

No, not really though. Phones are not necessary for survival but food made more available and cheap is necessary.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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I find only the very first pic somehow appealing. I do not really see any "beauty" there.

I don't think there is a word to express the melancholic fascination with megastructures, but I certainly suffer from it: ...the intricate patterns of stairs, windows, pergolas and cables, the chaotic and seemingly random arrangement of supports, the organic tumefying rust that de-patterns the otherwise perfect recursiveness... it is the same feeling that makes one appreciate kowloon walled city and Tsutomu Nihei's s…

"Melancholic" is the right word. Like negative romance. It has a peculiar ugliness that makes me want to stare at it, to get lost in the detail, and the contrast against the relative uniformity of the water is really compelling as a photograph. There's also an element of awe at its engineering, at least for me. Growing up, my dad worked at a nuclear plant, and it inspired a similar sense of awe. It's an aesthetic that's been used in a lot of science fiction.

Contrast against this famous photo: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-24/why-the-i... which I find disgusting, though similarly detailed. Maybe it's just the whole "familiarity breeds contempt" thing.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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Which is ironic as the vast majority of the human population, including the very same people with such views, are only alive because of substantial amounts of machinery. Such as those used in the Haber-Bosch process.

lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

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Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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Which is ironic as the vast majority of the human population, including the very same people with such views, are only alive because of substantial amounts of machinery. Such as those used in the Haber-Bosch process.

lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

On an even more fundamentally ridiculous level too. The people being (Alanis Morissette) "ironic" here have absolutely no choice in the matter of literally being born.

For those unfamiliar it's this comic that was simplified to the final panel [0]. It's a great send up of a whole arm of bad faith debate tactics that tries to invalidate any criticism of topic X because the person benefits from it.

[0] https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/259/257/342...

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

#55

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Which is ironic as the vast majority of the human population, including the very same people with such views, are only alive because of substantial amounts of machinery. Such as those used in the Haber-Bosch process.

lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

Are you asking me a question about this 'joke comic'?

I haven't heard of it, so you'll have to explain.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

Are you asking me a question about this 'joke comic'? I haven't heard of it, so you'll have to explain.

someone else posted it in this thread check it out https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/259/257/342...

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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Which is ironic as the vast majority of the human population, including the very same people with such views, are only alive because of substantial amounts of machinery. Such as those used in the Haber-Bosch process.

lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

You could read this as "you can't say anything bad about the industrial complex because you participate in it", though I think that is pretty obviously bad faith. A more charitable interpretation I would take is "whatever misgivings you have about large scale industrial practices, it's important to remember that they also massively benefit society and are in some cases necessary." Pointing out the flaws is great, villanizing is counterproductive.

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

No, not really though. Phones are not necessary for survival but food made more available and cheap is necessary.

Why yes, I do participate in society. Curious!

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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lol this is literally that "and yet you participate in society. curious!" joke comic?

Are you asking me a question about this 'joke comic'? I haven't heard of it, so you'll have to explain.

Real, canonical, link: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Re: The unintentional dystopian beauty of oil rigs

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IMHO This type of beauty is something the "AI" image generators do far failed to reproduce. Sure, they are great at creating "out of this world" images but the beauty of those structures comes from our ability to reason about the features. When you look at these structures, you immediately begin thinking about what is this and why it is there and how would the life on it feel. It has logical cohesion.

Don't know why you're being downvoted, it's obvious you are right. "AI art" is a style transfer and NLP tool. It doesn't exactly produce visual work with meaning, other than by accident.

I think it's similar thing with hands, we immediately see the problem with the hands because we know how they work and recognise when the generated hands wouldn't work.

This expands to all kind of machinery actually. The moment you start reasoning about the output it falls apart. I only assume at some point there would be another AI model which is trained on how things work and will guide the current AI stuff.

Like the way ControlNet guides StableDiffusion to produce output the way the user desires.

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