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It breaks the page on Chrome 16.0.912.77m on Windows 7 x64.
The stable build is on 17.0.963.46 m. Been a while since you've restart your browser?
Chrome is only on 17.x.x.x since yesterday. Not really 'a while' :)
Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
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Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#52This gets very meta very quickly. If linking to copyrighted data 'should' be illegal (SOPA), then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it (magnet links)? And if those were made illegal, then what about descriptions of those descriptions? You can recurse infinitely on this. Beyond mere amusement, after just one or two recursions, you get to the point wh…
Java should be illegal. You can write code that downloads torrents with it.
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#53This gets very meta very quickly. If linking to copyrighted data 'should' be illegal (SOPA), then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it (magnet links)? And if those were made illegal, then what about descriptions of those descriptions? You can recurse infinitely on this. Beyond mere amusement, after just one or two recursions, you get to the point wh…
Java should be illegal. You can write code that downloads torrents with it.
Your comment should be illegal; it gives advice on how to go about this process.
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#54Fun discussion here, guys. I've posted my thoughts on it at TechCrunch here:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/08/is-a-hash-of-hash-of-a-torr...
Hope the community doesn't think I've hijacked the thread for my own purposes. I just thought it was an interesting little discussion and wanted to point it out.
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It breaks the page on Chrome 16.0.912.77m on Windows 7 x64.
The stable build is on 17.0.963.46 m. Been a while since you've restart your browser?
Windows really must be getting better.
I used to comment on how I had to reboot my computer the other month. Windows users would be like "yeah, that sucks, I hope you had everything backed up ... wait, did you say reload or reboot?"
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#56This gets very meta very quickly. If linking to copyrighted data 'should' be illegal (SOPA), then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it (magnet links)? And if those were made illegal, then what about descriptions of those descriptions? You can recurse infinitely on this. Beyond mere amusement, after just one or two recursions, you get to the point wh…
The more one studies computer science, the less one believes that information can be owned in any meaningful way. I remember reading a paper on a "lightnet" that basically XORed arbitrary blocks of data together, then produced a recipe on how to recover some original data by XORing the appropriate blocks. With just this recipe you could ask other nodes for the random blocks, then recover the original data locally. Th…
In case anyone is interested, the program to which I referred is "OFF System". Its home page is supposed to be http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/, but unfortunately it's down now and the project seems dead. The paper was on the site, but I can't find any link to it now.
EDIT: I think I found it at http://www.findthatfile.com/search-31270472-hPDF/download-do... . The name of the file is "CopyNumbCJ.pdf".
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
The more one studies computer science, the less one believes that information can be owned in any meaningful way. I remember reading a paper on a "lightnet" that basically XORed arbitrary blocks of data together, then produced a recipe on how to recover some original data by XORing the appropriate blocks. With just this recipe you could ask other nodes for the random blocks, then recover the original data locally. Th…
I feel this is dealt with by the fact that law has a concept intention. Handing out the recipe for reconstructing the pirated material counts as aiding piracy, I would say.
I have to say, I find the concept of intent a little difficult to grasp when it comes to this stuff.
As an, albeit somewhat contrived, example:
Let's say I have a music player on my computer that, when fed the works of Shakespeare, it plays the Gaga's latest hit and when fed with the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, it plays Jingle Bells.
My actual intent is to read Shakespeare and to listen to Jingle Bells, but that is going to be a pretty difficult case to prove in a real court of law. The assumption will be made that I had the player and copy of Shakespeare so that I could listen to Gaga.
Theoretically, unless Shakespeare has been interpreted by said program, I have not committed any crime. But precedence disagrees. Just having the right sequence of bits on your computer is enough to prove intent, whether your actual intention was to use it to violate copyright or not. That is where I get lost.
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#58This gets very meta very quickly. If linking to copyrighted data 'should' be illegal (SOPA), then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it (magnet links)? And if those were made illegal, then what about descriptions of those descriptions? You can recurse infinitely on this. Beyond mere amusement, after just one or two recursions, you get to the point wh…
> then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it
Such as the name of the copyrighted work?
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
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I feel this is dealt with by the fact that law has a concept intention. Handing out the recipe for reconstructing the pirated material counts as aiding piracy, I would say.
Yes, in much the same way that any given number could be random, pseudorandom or nonrandom given its context, it can also be in violation or accordance with copyright law depending on its legal context.
Don't confuse a random number with the value returned by a function that returns nondeterministic values with a somewhat predictable pattern.
Re: Magnet-hashes for all torrents on The Pirate Bay: 164 MB
#60This gets very meta very quickly. If linking to copyrighted data 'should' be illegal (SOPA), then what about descriptions of that data that are sufficient to identify the original, but not reconstruct it (magnet links)? And if those were made illegal, then what about descriptions of those descriptions? You can recurse infinitely on this. Beyond mere amusement, after just one or two recursions, you get to the point wh…
You're thinking about it the wrong way. From a programmer's POV, the link to the torrent can be abstracted endlessly into new and distinct forms, each of which you believe needs to be legislated away in turn. From a lawyer's point of view, the specifics are really not important, but rather the end result: is the user illegally procuring copyrighted material, or is the distributor providing them with a readily accessible means of doing so?
Law has certain resemblances to regular code, but folks here seem to think that if something isn't properly specified that the law will break in the same way that a program will fail to compile or run properly. But that's not how it works. Poorly drafted laws can fail, certainly, but it's not that hard to draft something that focuses on the end result.
Consider ordinary offences, such as robbery. You wouldn't get anywhere by arguing that you're alleged to have put your right hand in your pocket and pulled out a small hatchet, and that since there's no law specifically forbidding right-hand wielding of hatches, you should go free. The technicalities of how you committed the robbery are irrelevant as long as it can be established that you took someone's property in a violent fashion. I'm a little perplexed as to why folks think torrenting/piracy/filesharing etc. is so different that it can't be addressed legally. Sure, the law needs to be clear and logical, but only up to a point. It doesn't need to be absolutely exhaustive, and 'beyond a reasonable doubt' has never meant 'beyond any imaginable possibility'. People do make arguments like that in criminal defense cases from time to time, but they typically fail because the doubts they attempt to raise are absurdly far-fetched.