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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by willio58 »

lsdont wrote: post #17
willio58 wrote: post #6

Seems like it got the hug of death. Just based on the headline, I disagree. If you have a genetic propensity for schizophrenia or things like that then yes, avoid it. But for the vast majority of LSD users it’s a transformative experience. Drinking alcohol is socially accepted but tens of millions of Americans have some sort of diagnosed use disorder with it and almost 100k people died last year to drinking. Do we sa…

> If you have a genetic propensity for schizophrenia How would you know until something triggers it? Getting permanently mindfucked from LSD is an awful way to discover this.

I feel like people generally know if they have a family history of these things, or maybe that’s just me?

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by klyrs »

> About 160 µg later

Serious? You went with a strong dose on your first try and you blame Steve Jobs? I mean, don't get me wrong, he was a dick what with driving a un-plated Porsche just so he could park in handicap spots and all, but this is 100% your fault. According to erowid, a starter dose is around 25ug.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by pessimizer »

bsuvc wrote: post #39
siva7 wrote: post #13

Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.

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Arguing like this is no good. You're demanding that we accept a random blog post over a random comment, and demanding expertise from the random comment that you're not demanding from the random blog post.

The comment you're replying to is speculative. It's all right for people with some personal knowledge to speculate.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by currymj »

in certain niche social circles, there is a lot of pressure to use psychedelic drugs. someone who chooses not to use psychedelic drugs might be looked down on -- presumed to be closed-minded or not very bright -- or otherwise socially excluded.

as psychedelic drugs grow in popularity, more and more people in more and more social milieus will run into this kind of condescension. some will be pressured into taking risks they don't want to, and some will be harmed by it.

i expect a backlash to psychedelic drugs fairly soon (based on hacker news comments on this article vs. what it would have been a few years ago, maybe already starting). i hope that this backlash doesn't derail the promising medical research into psychedelics that's gotten off the ground in the last few years.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by ravi-delia »

Fairly interesting post, especially for those who weren't aware that hallucinogens sometimes cause minor hallucinations indefinitely, but arguments like the conclusions section are why we need to, as a society, beat "the plural of anecdote is not data" into every single person's head.

Some people have a negative reaction to LSD. Some people don't. Some people have a positive reaction to LSD. Some don't. What's missing, crucially, is the only useful information- how many of each there are. There is nothing else that is relevant! If "some guy had a bad time" was a robust argument for "never ever do this thing", it would be a bad idea to do anything ever.

> Reading reddit anecdata about how LSD has changed people’s lives for the better - and the army of comments that dogpile on, agreeing - makes me upset at their naiveity and harmful promotion

It is indeed naive to think that some random guy on the internet talking about their experience is useful. Now how did we decide it was "harmful promotion" again?

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by PKop »

Obertr wrote: post #23
jamescontrol wrote: post #8

This is one of two reasons why I decided to not try anything, ever. 1. What if it’s the most amazing thing ever, like ADHD medication, what if you get insanely productive, and you then have to go back to being mediocre? 2. What if it triggers something bad. If I get 10% worse at focusing on a solving a problem? Nope

and on the other side you may get insanely creative and change your life for the better and build something valuable to the humanity. Tradeoff is clear for me.

This will never happen, and is an absurd cope for people that just want their fix and to be addicts without feeling bad.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by de6u99er »

jerglingu wrote: post #22

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

As someone who has been consuming lots of marijuana in the past 25 years, my recommendation is to not consume marijuana when in a bad mood or in stressful situations. I see drugs (including alcohol) as mood amplifiers.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by reso »

I definitely think cases like this can happen, and I've had troubles with some drug experiences in the past as well.

That being said, the author's report of how they tried psilocybin sounds like a warning sign to me: 3 grams, seemingly at home alone. That is a big dose for a first time, and I've never heard anyone recommend taking it alone at home.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by throwaway22032 »

I've tried LSD once and would never do it again for the reasons the author states.

Yes, it was great fun, but it's just too unpredictable. Regardless of whether or not it actually happened, it was incredibly clear to me that I could have just decided to jump out of a window thinking that it was my bedroom door, or cut myself with a kitchen knife thinking that it was a brush, or think my partner was some sort of attacker and become violent towards him/her, or whatever else. Plus the emotional effects.

It felt like I played Russian Roulette with my brain and won, I just got lucky and I'm OK. I think. Maybe my emotions are a bit different now. How would I even know?

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by x86x87 »

So let me get this straight.

This person had a hard time on psilocybin and though they should try LSD? Jfc

I think it's well known that things can go south really quickly on basically anything that alters your brain chemistry. Yes, these drugs alter your brain chemistry. And also, yes some people are way more sensitive than others.

It's unfortunate this happened but to completely write off the potential psychedelics show for treating trauma and PTSD is naive at best.

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