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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by rootusrootus »

edgyquant wrote: post #26
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Maybe because people like you constantly make underhanded comments about how “rare” violent crime is and so the crime problem is now partisan. It’s not rare https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime

This says 37th on the list, ordered by total violent crime. That's fairly low, considering how big a city SF is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by jjulius »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It was really surreal, reading through that thread and watching everyone assume they knew exactly what happened when there had literally been no public information given out about the suspect.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by tedivm »

kneebonian wrote: post #47
cemerick wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What words _would_ you use to describe a city with fewer homicides per capita than almost all other major US cities? Might want to look at some relevant data; https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf-vio... has a handy chart halfway down, if you're not interested in reading.

I got a page not found error going to that link. Also the parent said "violent crime" not just homicides. In addition it is known that homicides among the homeless, of which SF is known to have many, are underreported. Plus there is plenty of property crime as well.

Where is that known? Known by who? Do you have any actual evidence of this claim?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by vimax »

YourDadVPN wrote: post #19
Teever wrote: post #8

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This seems like a bit of a reach. "Move fast and break things" to me means take risks, don't get bogged down in process or do the same thing everyone else is doing. I don't see how you get from that to stabbing people. Your other quote is nice but it's a bit silly to apply it to a literal stabbing.

When the person stabbed was the CTO of a company just accused a week earlier of fraud and facilitating illegal transactions, it may not be that silly.

https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

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Post by robotbikes »

baremetal wrote: post #12
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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If the claim of the former commissioner spraying people with bear mace is true then it is hardly a random attack but an escalation of violence after being attacked by a chemical weapon.

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Post by interactivecode »

pc86 wrote: post #30
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Perhaps in SF the victims of violent crime are in a higher social bracket than in other cities?

Aka more rich people are the target in SF compared to other cities where mostly lower class people are effected?

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Post by tsunamifury »

tedivm wrote: post #43
pc86 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by foobarian »

tedivm wrote: post #43
pc86 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

> Claiming it is one of the most violent cities in the country

To be fair the phrasing "one of the most XXX" has a LOT of wiggle room at best, and is technically a tautology at worst.

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Post by 5040 »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #29
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

I get sick to my stomach reading that thread. It was close to the last straw for me with regards to leaving this community completely, or at least trying to fight my HN habit. I get a lot out of the things shared here and the discourse, but sometimes we get those threads and I just can't believe so many otherwise smart, intelligent people would believe and say such horrible things.

Empathy gets displaced when victimization becomes commonplace.
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