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Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#51
It has been for a couple months, yet HN keeps trying to convince us there's plenty of positions open, just a little slow.

Personally, this is the worst I have experienced in 16 years, also because I'm in Britain and we have our own sets of issues on top.

I am barely keeping afloat with underpaid Upwork gigs. Contracting work is pretty much dead in UK. Recruiters have not landed me a single interview after connecting with two dozen of them. Not a single one in two months.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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Not just you. I would guess, optimistically, I’m averaging a 5% conversion rate of applications to recruiter chats/“stage 0 interviews”. That is, ~95% of applications yield silence or a generic email rejection without any human contact. ~15 YOE, FAANG experience, usually only applying to roles I feel I’m at least a halfway good fit for (i.e. not a complete scattergun approach). I’m (financially) fine for now, which i…

> FAANG experience Probably the reason. Most companies need people with experience in more than just one layer of a stack. Hard times for those who cant own a full stack, unfortunately.

I look at FAANG experience as a negative for startup work. I’d much prefer to hire someone with five years of experience at three startups than five years of experience at Google.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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post #6

Not just you. I would guess, optimistically, I’m averaging a 5% conversion rate of applications to recruiter chats/“stage 0 interviews”. That is, ~95% of applications yield silence or a generic email rejection without any human contact. ~15 YOE, FAANG experience, usually only applying to roles I feel I’m at least a halfway good fit for (i.e. not a complete scattergun approach). I’m (financially) fine for now, which i…

> FAANG experience Probably the reason. Most companies need people with experience in more than just one layer of a stack. Hard times for those who cant own a full stack, unfortunately.

FAANG is shorthand for Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google, not a specific tech stack.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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post #23

> Have normally found a new job within a few weeks, but this time it has been 4 months. That’s because during COVID, tech had unprecedented hiring rates. Google, Facebook, etc literally 2x their employee count in just a couple of years. And these are companies already at massive scale with 10s thousands of employees. How easy it was to find a job over the last few years was not normal.

Even before Covid an experienced competent engineer could easily find a decent job in around a month. Longer for large tech companies due to the lengthy interview process but you'd at least be in the pipeline.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

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post #6

Not just you. I would guess, optimistically, I’m averaging a 5% conversion rate of applications to recruiter chats/“stage 0 interviews”. That is, ~95% of applications yield silence or a generic email rejection without any human contact. ~15 YOE, FAANG experience, usually only applying to roles I feel I’m at least a halfway good fit for (i.e. not a complete scattergun approach). I’m (financially) fine for now, which i…

> FAANG experience Probably the reason. Most companies need people with experience in more than just one layer of a stack. Hard times for those who cant own a full stack, unfortunately.

This - over specialism is career suicide. Most places I've worked have a maximum of three tiers of skillset in their mix, namely devops to handle CI, prod, etc back end devs for caring about API side stuff, and frontend for giving a damn about the users.

I realise this sounds basic, but that's the point: almost all of those things are everywhere. Bury yourself in a tiny slice of one of those things and you've become un-or-over qualified for most of the market.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#58

It's extremely brutal. I'm a staff engineer and a tech lead of ~12 engineers, I've either been getting low ball offers, or ending the last round of interviews to get no offer. I've employed but have been looking for a job for ~6 months with terrible results. I graduated from a T5 school, have worked at a "unicorn" startup, and have an average of 3 years at every role. My conversion rate is a little better - 3 intervi…

> had been at his last 3 jobs for roughly over a year each And yet the manager would be your boss. Not sure why you think how long someone has been in a role is somehow a worthwhile signal.

As you get more senior, it takes time to understand your sibling teams, the business itself, etc.

If it takes 6+ months just to get "up to speed", are you really having much impact when you leave 6 months later?

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#59

It's extremely brutal. I'm a staff engineer and a tech lead of ~12 engineers, I've either been getting low ball offers, or ending the last round of interviews to get no offer. I've employed but have been looking for a job for ~6 months with terrible results. I graduated from a T5 school, have worked at a "unicorn" startup, and have an average of 3 years at every role. My conversion rate is a little better - 3 intervi…

> I've either been getting low ball offers

Are they all junior IC level low balls, or is this accidentally revealing why staff level+ engineers aren't getting calls?

I'll be honest and say if tomorrow morning I get laid off, I'm not expecting my current pay to get matched.

Re: Ask HN: Is the job market brutal? or is it just me?

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn this is the most depressing comment in this whole comments section

Why - if I may ask? What’s wrong with pointing out potential employers?

Can confirm, defence (related) and security clearance requirements largely limit the applicant pool. One, because for some reason Lockheed is dirty while Palantir or Facebook isn't. And because a lot of people are, by virtue of country of birth, ineligible of getting a security clearance. Also decent money and job security.

But while I draw my moral.line at small arms (those have the nasty habbit of ending everywhere, and the likes of Heckler and Koch have their long list of export scandals), others draw their line at weapons in general. Both view points are fine, as is working for the likes of SIG Sauer.

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