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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by iancmceachern » Sun, Apr 09, 2023, 5:04 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #29

salomon812 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not. If it was just an accent, I'd like back all those times my father couldn't help with my Spanish homework.

It’s like how Portuguese is just a Spanish with a heavy accent. And Italian is just accented Latin. There are recognizable words but the meanings are entirely different - English between America and Australia used to be this way (we since have crushed Australia with Hollywood so hard that it’s now closer enough).

Neither of those are true.

They have similar roots, but dismissing entire languages and cultures in this way is super disrespectful

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by n8henrie » Sun, Apr 09, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

Interesting. I've lived in NM -- mostly northern -- for over 20 years now. I minored in Spanish and continue to strive to improve my mediocre fluency. I take multiple trips to the Sangre de Cristo area every year for camping and fishing.

And yet I don't recall ever having heard of a discrete NM dialect.

TIL!

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by codeddesign » Sun, Apr 09, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

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Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by bombcar » Sun, Apr 09, 2023, 10:33 PM UTC

iancmceachern wrote: post #51

bombcar wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s like how Portuguese is just a Spanish with a heavy accent. And Italian is just accented Latin. There are recognizable words but the meanings are entirely different - English between America and Australia used to be this way (we since have crushed Australia with Hollywood so hard that it’s now closer enough).

Neither of those are true. They have similar roots, but dismissing entire languages and cultures in this way is super disrespectful

I should have added the required /sarcasm tag, apparently.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by dang » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 1:28 AM UTC

codeddesign wrote: post #53

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by trgn » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 2:00 AM UTC

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #46

This reminds me of the bog people I met who live on a lake in floating mud huts. They’re all complaining that their children move away to go to school and live in cities etc. Is the bog life really worth preserving? You basically just want to preserve these weird cultures for the sake of it, not because anyone benefits from it. Obviously children want electricity or to speak an actually used language rather than foll…

> preserve these weird cultures for the sake of it, not because anyone benefits from it

If the world ever turns into grey goo, it won't be because of an out of control AI, it will be because actual people have willed it into the world.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by chaostheory » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 2:20 AM UTC

I don’t feel that this is a bad thing. Not being able to speak and understand each other’s languages just helps increase conflict due to less empathy. While there are cons to less spoken languages, overall the world would be better off with less spoken languages.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by sdrothrock » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 2:37 AM UTC

NelsonMinar wrote: post #38

New Mexico Hispanic culture is quite different from a lot of the rest of the US. And the rural areas were very isolated for a long time. So it has some other interesting historical Spanish cultural variants. A couple: The Penitentes, an ascetic Catholic group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico) The Crypto-Jews, usually thought to be a hundreds-years-old vestige of Judaism fleeing the Inquisition. T…

Just a heads up: "crypto Jew" is also an antisemitic buzz word, which is why I suspect the linked article says "hidden" instead.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by guywithahat » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 2:40 AM UTC

It's always sad to see dialects die, however unless you're trying to decrease migration between neighboring countries (such as Israel speaking Hebrew) it seems like a good thing. In the case of New Mexico, it's a US state and I don't see an advantage in keeping it around.

Re: New Mexico is losing a form of Spanish spoken nowhere else

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Post by ars » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 2:46 AM UTC

guywithahat wrote: post #59

It's always sad to see dialects die, however unless you're trying to decrease migration between neighboring countries (such as Israel speaking Hebrew) it seems like a good thing. In the case of New Mexico, it's a US state and I don't see an advantage in keeping it around.

> unless you're trying to decrease migration between neighboring countries (such as Israel speaking Hebrew)

Say what now? Israelis don't speak Hebrew to "decrease migration", they speak Hebrew because it's their ancestral language with a greater than 3,000 year history.