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Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#52

Bill Gates was known to be blunt with his feedback. He still is. But I can see his justification for it. He is knowledgeable and MSFT is a huge company, so directness is needed.

Odds are this guy is not Bill Gates, and therein lies the problem.

Repeat after me:

I am not Bill Gates. I am not Steve Jobs. I am not Wozniak. I am mercifully not Larry Ellison. I do not have [Google,Amazon,Facebook]'s problems. I do not have Google's customer base. I do not have Google's money. I have pretty normal problems, which require pretty normal to slightly extraordinary solutions. Anything these people are willing to discuss in public is an old solution to old problems. When I do have their problems, better solutions will likely exist, in the literature if not in reality.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#54
post #4

This reminds me of: “People who are brutally honest get more satisfaction out of the brutality than out of the honesty.” Richard J. Needham

that's usually because only the brutality has any effect so you can't enjoy anything from the honesty when it's applied

That’s not inherent, and it’s not an excuse. If you’re not the sort of person that gets an inherent kick out of ‘the truth’, that doesn’t that there aren’t others that do.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#55
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? What is the "subtext of a slur"? What do you mean by "go a big rubbery one"?

I think they meant "grow a big rubbery one," which is referring to the tumescence of the corpus spongiosum of a penis. Though I believe the comment to be facetious, and no sexual arousal was actually, or has actually been, achieved due to content of their original claim.

I got max downvoted AND flagged. It's a trigger gusher boys!

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#56

>Even if my words are accurate, rational, and true, the way I deliver them may color that truth with an entirely different message. A doctor can deliver bad news of a terminal diagnosis with seriousness and sympathy. Or they can just glibly say "Don't bother buying green bananas."

> Don't bother buying green bananas I can't be the only one who thinks this delivery might be hilarious? Of course, I respect and understand that not everybody would find it to be.

It’s a fun phrase.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#57

I have not met anyone who has this attitude who also happens to be a person of good breadth or depth of understanding of ANYTHING. This doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just that I can't begin to imagine what they'd be like because for all I care, they don't seem to exist. They don't have the breadth or depth of understanding of things not for the lack of trying either. It's just that they shut down everything tha…

Sounds like textbook pride. Not like, "My child is my pride and joy!"

But more along the lines of, "You're a prideful person with no room for any outside input that doesn't already align with what you've already latched onto, and in the face of evidence that should shake up your beliefs, you refuse it and insist upon yourself as being more correct than data, evidence, wisdom, etc."

The latter kind of pride is often underlying those who claim to be "telling it like it is," and it's more about them feeling morally or intellectually superior, than actually being right. Their "rightness" is usually contextually dependent at that.

That's just my 2 cents from seeing the pride in myself and in others. And having reality slap us in the face and refuse to bend to our version of it.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#58

I wield the truth proudly, because it cut my hands when i picked it up, it slices them when i wield it and it hurts even more when i knight you with it. I actively search out discomfort, i embrace knowledge about my retardation and i attempt to work out solutions for them. I detest the hive, the cuddling together in falsehood and illusions, the disasters it has spawned time and time again, the justifications for evil…

This comment sounds like copy-pasta so not sure if it's being posted in disagreement or in satire.

However if it is genuine, as someone who used to think this way I realize now it is falling for the same black and white worldview that you accuse the "insane" others of following.

Is your goal to convince others of the truth, or to simply feel smug about convincing yourself you know the truth? You are enjoying the idea of uncomfortable truths more than the actual discomfort of having to use empathy and mutual context to introduce someone else to a new or uncomfortable view.

Also you wouldn't actually like a world in which everyone was hyper-rational and had no illusions or falsehoods. It would be quite dull.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#59
For starters a lot of confusion arises when people don't distinguish between truths and facts, the article itself is guilty of this. Facts are empirical, usually simple, self-revealing observations about the world. Truths are subjective and always hold an element of belief. You can believe something to be true, you can't be believe something to be a fact. Truths are underpinned by a subjective stance towards an object, facts are not. There can be competing truths, there can't be competing facts. When it comes to facts, rationality or evidence matter a lot, when it comes to truths a lot of different values start to be important.

Take the example from the article

"It reminds me of the bumper stickers on trucks saying that vehicles must stay back at least 200 feet because the driver is not responsible for damage done to other vehicles by falling rocks. It's nonsense of course. The sign on the truck does not let the company off the hook."

Is it "of course" nonsense? How far one's responsibility on the road extends isn't a factual question. Sure, there's more or less defensible positions, but you're not discussing the weight, the speed, or the position of the truck, you're discussing what social behavior is tolerable or not, who is culpable in case of an accident.

Trying to resolve discussions about the truth or falsehood of beliefs as if they were questions of fact is very common today, because the latter is much easier, but it fundamentally just causes a lot of confusion.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

#60

>Even if my words are accurate, rational, and true, the way I deliver them may color that truth with an entirely different message. A doctor can deliver bad news of a terminal diagnosis with seriousness and sympathy. Or they can just glibly say "Don't bother buying green bananas."

> Don't bother buying green bananas I can't be the only one who thinks this delivery might be hilarious? Of course, I respect and understand that not everybody would find it to be.

In the abstract, sure, it's funny. Would I want a doctor to tell me this way? Or a family member? No.
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