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If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

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Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

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post #39

This is a sloppy article that summarizes sloppy research and conclusions. Any State school science graduate student could point out the various reasons why. Though I'm unfamiliar with the average quality of the MIT Tech Review, I'd guess that the article isn't worthy of it.

MIT Tech Review is pretty bad in general. This kind of flimsy speculation is common. I'm not sure why MIT allows it to be affiliated with them.

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#52

If you're smart or talented, then that gives you a huge boost. It's yours to lose. But without effort, talent is of no use. I have seen people who have talent squander it by not putting in the effort. Family wealth obviously helps too , but of the top Substack authors I follow...most succeeded by raw talent and some effort, with otherwise minimal connections or family wealth. Same for top start-up founders...most see…

You should tag this submission as (2018).

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#53

> The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest, a new computer model of wealth creation confirms This is the least credible genre of "study says" article. You can't make claims about the real world based on some of researcher's guesswork simulation of society.

Wonder what the title would have been if the simulation spit out the opposite result - “Not so lucky after all? Science confirms poverty caused by lack of intelligence, talent.”

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#54

This study is disingenuous. It seems self evident to me that as the amount of wealth increases the amount of luck needed to get there increases. But, its possible to improve your chance of getting lucky. It might not be worth the effort but it is possible.

Agreed -- Working hard and strategically for an extended period of time drastically increases your odds of "getting lucky."

And the most successful people in the world aren't "just the luckiest." I'm sure that they required luck to achieve their wealth (as most if not all of them would probably admit), and if they started again from scratch, they may not reach the same extraordinary heights of success. But that doesn't mean they're just lucky. If you study any highly successful person, you'll almost certainly find specific qualities that made success for the person (in some degree) exceedingly likely.

Many people might read a headline like this and then, consciously or unconsciously, marginalize the accomplishments of successful people. I think that's the wrong approach. Instead, I think it's better to focus on (i) improving yourself and your circumstances, (ii) taking action on what's directly within your control, and (iii) learning from successful people. That way, you'll increase your odds of success, and even if you don't reach your goal, you'll be a better person.

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#55
The takeaway is not that you shouldn't make efforts to gain wealth, it's that we tend to ascribe all kinds of "hard work" and "genius" properties to the rich, and we can't help attaching some sort of virtue to people with money and disdain for people who don't have it.

Also, this fantasy of "hard work gets you further" significantly blocks our society's ability to help the poor, because so much bogus morality gets wrapped up in our attempts to lift people out of poverty (see: "Welfare queens" etc etc etc).

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#56
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This paper does not suggest in any way that effort is not important.

Effort without intelligence is just pointless toil though. Either this paper is saying it’s pure chance, in which case effort isn’t relevant, or some intelligence is required.

Fundamental reality of intelligence is that it can be shared. Especially more effective when it is only shared among small groups. Very few are innate to a person.

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#57
I think the most interesting (and yet obvious) observation of this article is about the very non-linear distribution of wealth (and income) in the modern world. 10x/20x differences are rarely justified by effort or skill, of course. Luck and compounding effects give a partial explanation. But it’s rather clear that inherited compounding effects have a larger effect, and until we have a way to rebalance wealth, more than income, we won’t be able to change that.

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#58
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This paper does not suggest in any way that effort is not important.

Effort without intelligence is just pointless toil though. Either this paper is saying it’s pure chance, in which case effort isn’t relevant, or some intelligence is required.

If you're saying "intelligence" as in greater than 75 IQ then sure.

If you slide that scale any further you'll quickly be overweighting intelligence to success

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#59

> The most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest, a new computer model of wealth creation confirms This is the least credible genre of "study says" article. You can't make claims about the real world based on some of researcher's guesswork simulation of society.

This guy gets it

Re: If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich? Turns out it’s just chance

#60
It's at least true for millinnials or can even be stretched to gen X. Everything was decided before you were born if you're in that age range. Not even a debate. But as a universal principle? I don't think so. If society wasn't controlled this tight, intelligence would have actually played a role. We're just very unlucky generation. The people above were well aware of Ai cybernetics even when Baby Boomers were literally babies. Can't afford social class instability. I feel sorry for my generation.
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