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Re: Everything Is a Practice

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The version of you that was a couch potato for four hours on a Saturday is less good than the version that went for a run, lifted weights, home-brewed beer, met someone for coffee, or whatever self-improvement you might have done. How so? I see many people assert this, but I've yet to see someone be able to articulate why (that isn't trivially refutable). Are we measuring by happiness? Contentment? External validat…

I think only proper metric is "future quality of life". Sitting on couch watching TV - you are sure it is not going to contribute to your well being in 10-20-40 years. To be able to do some pushups while you are 70y.o. - you have to do hundreds of pushups while you were 20y.o. I don't know anyone who wants to have a heart attack or spend his last 5-10 years of life in a hospital bed. So I am not writing about quality…

To be clear, when someone says "quality of life" they're referring to health, well-being, and happiness, whatever that is.

Buying a Porsche implies a certain standard of living, not quality of life. Completely orthogonal concepts. We Americans mix up these concepts frequently, which explains a lot about the culture.

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#53
post #3

Something about not being young anymore is that I am much more comfortable leveraging small changes consistently over time. When I was 16, the idea of doing a little bit of practicing vocal exercises each day in order to improve over time would have seemed an insurmountable challenge. I needed things to improve over the course of days or hours. (In this, I was terribly short-sighted). But now that I'm considerably ol…

I say that its the exact same situation for me. Except by being older, I'm only 25 now. My suspicion is that this effect to due to my prefrontal cortex maturing? Because I'm much more introspective and meticulous now when it comes to learning, thinking, feeling etc.

At 25, this is a superpower. Even if you just practice a thing for 10 minutes a day, by the time you're in your 40s (which is about when life starts getting really good) you will be fantastic at it.

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#54

I'm at the point where I feel fed up with too much talk about self-improvement. It's ok to not be productive and just enjoy things. Enjoy relationships, the sunshine, even video games or something that is literally a waste of time. Maybe I got burned out by goal-setting and productivity talk. It also might be some remnants of some mild depression I had lately. I guess I just don't like feeling pressured to constantly…

> It's ok to not be productive and just enjoy things.

It's not only OK, it's absolutely essential.

> if you're not improving, you're less of a human being

I don't think that's the message that you should take. Your value as a human being is independent of all that. However, I think there's an element of truth to "if you're not growing, you're dying."

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#55
post #23

I'm at the point where I feel fed up with too much talk about self-improvement. It's ok to not be productive and just enjoy things. Enjoy relationships, the sunshine, even video games or something that is literally a waste of time. Maybe I got burned out by goal-setting and productivity talk. It also might be some remnants of some mild depression I had lately. I guess I just don't like feeling pressured to constantly…

I think the important thing is to find a balance that satisfies you. If you never do any self improvement, you might be missing out on a much better life that would cost you relatively little to get to. But maybe your current life is hunky-dory, in which case, that's great, you do you! And over-focus on "self-improvement" may mean you miss out on things along the way. Making yourself miss those things may be more of…

I agree.

I'd only add that, in my opinion, self-improvement should be a joy in itself, not a burden or drudgery. If it's not joyful, what's the point?

Even if it's just to further your career goals (which it shouldn't be just that), the lack of joy in doing it might be a strong hint that your career goals are not well-aligned with your personality.

Re: Everything Is a Practice

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I used to play pool a fair amount and it reminds me of a quote an older player shared with me one time: "Every shot is a practice shot". His point was that every time you shot you were building up either good or bad habits, so every time you shoot you were to shoot the same way. Don't ever just "fuck around" because that contributes to bad habits or at least not building good habits.

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit." — Aristotle

This is one of my favorite quote and last year I learned it wasn’t actually Aristotle’s: https://medium.com/the-mission/my-favourite-quote-of-all-tim...

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#57
post #3

Something about not being young anymore is that I am much more comfortable leveraging small changes consistently over time. When I was 16, the idea of doing a little bit of practicing vocal exercises each day in order to improve over time would have seemed an insurmountable challenge. I needed things to improve over the course of days or hours. (In this, I was terribly short-sighted). But now that I'm considerably ol…

I'm doing something similar. I've decided at 62 to learn to play the keyboard and be able to read music. It's late in the day but I'm slowly getting there 30 minutes a day.

Never, ever, too late. Heard a story of an 80 year-old who said, "If I'd taken up violin when I was 60, I'd have been playing for 20 years by now."

Anything you can do that brings you satifaction or exercises your brain and keeps it sharp is a great thing.

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#58
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say that its the exact same situation for me. Except by being older, I'm only 25 now. My suspicion is that this effect to due to my prefrontal cortex maturing? Because I'm much more introspective and meticulous now when it comes to learning, thinking, feeling etc.

At 25, this is a superpower. Even if you just practice a thing for 10 minutes a day, by the time you're in your 40s (which is about when life starts getting really good) you will be fantastic at it.

What makes your 40s so good? I'm approaching them and would love some more things to look forward to!

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#59
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you're not improving, you're less of a human being I mean, it's true. The version of you that was a couch potato for four hours on a Saturday is less good than the version that went for a run, lifted weights, home-brewed beer, met someone for coffee, or whatever self-improvement you might have done. (I don't agree that enjoying relationships is contrary to self-improvement.) Of course, opportunity cost is a thin…

> The version of you that was a couch potato for four hours on a Saturday is less good than the version that went for a run, lifted weights, home-brewed beer, met someone for coffee, or whatever self-improvement you might have done. How so? I see many people assert this, but I've yet to see someone be able to articulate why (that isn't trivially refutable). Are we measuring by happiness? Contentment? External validat…

Individuals are free to choose their own evaluation metric for their lives, but it turns out that most fall into a relatively narrow band. Let's assume people have (at least some measure of) free will, because otherwise the question of "What should I do" is largely moot.

Let's define life as a path through a space of nonfungible states. Our utility metric U(s,t) gives a utility value to experiencing a certain state (s) at a certain time (t). Our goal is to maximize our utility over our lives (for the sake of the religious, include "and afterlives" wherever I say lives), aka the integral of U over the range 0 to infinity.

States are time and past state dependent. Two experiences are different states even holding everything else equal depending on what states you have previously experienced, and when you experience them.

What states you can experience at a given time is limited by your previous state. You may have an infinite number of possible next states, but there are also infinite states that you cannot experience next that you could have arrived at if you had a different previous state. e.g., you can't enjoy a night in with your wife, if your previous state didn't have you already married. The ultimate example of this is the secular "dead" state, where your only available next state is dead@t+epsilon.

With all that out of the way, we can start cutting away some easily analyzed sets of metrics. The easiest is the "heaven or hell" set. These assign some non-zero value to all dead states, dependent on a morality function applied to all states prior to death. As t->Inf, your average utility will be dominated by your death value, so your best choices in life are those that maximize your prescribed morality function. Given that most such religions assign a negative morality to sloth, and at the very least you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believes that sitting on your couch is the most moral possible action you could be taking at any point in time, couch potato is right out.

Morality-based reincarnation metrics follow a similar line of thought, so long as you assume that your reincarnation has positive or negative effects on your range of possible average utility. (E.g., the best possible bug life is worse than the best possible human life).

If you follow a belief system where everyone experiences the same afterlife regardless of their life, then you can just subtract the value of U(afterlife,t) from a finite life metric to arrive at identical choices.

We'll ignore immortality/non-static afterlives, because they're hard to reason about, and relatively niche held beliefs.

What's left is finite life metrics, where U(dead,t)=0. All the utility you can possibly accumulate is going to be obtained before your time of death. These can be categorized into four groups:

A) Different states have varying utilities, but tend positive.

B) All states have the same positive utility: U(s!=dead,t) = x > 0

C) Most or all experiences are somewhat negative

D) Most or all experiences are somewhat negative, but killing yourself is more negative than the expected value of living until your natural demise.

Type C is the radical anti-natalist block. They assert the best possible move is to kill yourself. You are unlikely to meet someone who earnestly believes this due to survivorship bias, but since every state you spend alive is reducing your utility, delaying a deliberate exit to sit on the couch is sub-optimal.

Type B is exact opposite: the only thing that matters is living as long as possible. The best choice is always the one that extends your lifespan, which precludes the life-reducing sedentary choice of couch-potato-dom.

Type A (most secular philosophical beliefs systems), and D (more mainstream anti-natalism) are largely interchangeable except when it comes to evaluating the expected value of prolonging your life. Thus, for the purposes of refuting the couch-potato lifestyle we can analyze them together, because there are better ways both to die young and to grow to a ripe old age than sitting on your couch.

In this space it makes sense to evaluate states not just on their immediate utility, but on the utility of future states they make possible or exclude, and the states necessary to pass through to achieve them.

The latter is where couch-pototo-ness really shines: it has an incredibly low barrier to entry. There is minimal sacrifice that needs to be made to achieve sitting on the couch, watching TV, relative to the bare minimum of survival. You don't need to do anything unpleasant, or immoral, or antisocial, or really anything at all to get to sit there and watch TV. But we can exclude metrics that assign a higher utility to some other, as easy or even easier to achieve states, because the leisure wouldn't be an attraction to them.

Future states is where the couch potato states really flounder: compared to pretty much any use of your time, they have very little effect on your available future states. Their utility will probably be somewhat above average in most people's metric functions, because that's what mass entertainment was designed for: being appealing to most people. But the lack of expanding your availability of options means that for almost any metric, there will be something you could be doing that takes slightly more delayed gratification, but with a much higher pay off.

So there's my (hopefully) non-trivially refutable explanation for why choosing to be a couch potato kinda sucks. TL;DR: It's a very-low, very-local maxima for most utility metrics because it doesn't open any new doors.

Re: Everything Is a Practice

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm doing something similar. I've decided at 62 to learn to play the keyboard and be able to read music. It's late in the day but I'm slowly getting there 30 minutes a day.

Never, ever, too late. Heard a story of an 80 year-old who said, "If I'd taken up violin when I was 60, I'd have been playing for 20 years by now." Anything you can do that brings you satifaction or exercises your brain and keeps it sharp is a great thing.

I did the math on the 10,000 hours theory once and concluded that this gives me permission to start something late in life. If you went as hard as you can you could reach expert level in a dozen things in a single lifetime, if that was your goal. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to expect to be able to achieve two or three. Even if they consider their youth 'wasted'.

Used to know a guy who was as old as I am now when he took up Go. Took him less than ten years to reach a 3 dan rating, which is on the edge of where common wisdom says you need to start as a child to achieve better than that. But any time he wasn't working, he was looking at Go games (and I suspect sometimes when he was working). If he started 5 years younger or lives long enough I expect he'll disprove that rule.

Of course it always helps if you're a polymath. There's a lot of social friction involved with picking up something that is expected of 14 year olds. If you can teach yourself you can skip over a lot of that.

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