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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.

There's been dozens of hijackings since 9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#20...

That lists twenty, and the minimum to be "dozens" would be 24.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s common for airports to allow liquids for babies/toddlers. Just take them out of the bag and put them in a padded box normally. No 100ml limit either- have taken regular water bottles through too (for milk formula). Various airports have different rules. Dubai was quite lax, you don’t have to take anything out of bags. Maybe they have the new scanners already. Singapore was more strict, and they do the security c…

Ugh, don't remind me of Singapore. Transferring after a flight from London, I see a water bottle refill fountain, which I use. We're running late, so I head straight to the gate...and then have to immediately dispose of my newly filled 2L water bottle. I've never known another airport to have this security setup, and as a massive transit hub, I really can't make sense of why they chose to put it at that point - but t…

I think the approach was to disperse the security screening to gates so that you don't have to process them all before they even enter the departure area.

But to your point, it’s terrible. They basically screen you, then you sit in glass enclosed area, with no toilets and you cant bring liquids in, but there are water fountains.

So if you have to use the bathroom you have to leave, then go through security again. Or if there is a gate change, you have to go through security again.

It creates more problems than it solves.

Terminal 4 does it the normal way with screening before you reach the departure area. They also have scanners where you can leave your laptop in your bag.

Much better.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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In Japan for domestic flights, they have some sort of a sniffer machine they put your liquids on for testing, so flying with them is fine. When I flew through Beijing and had forgotten a can of beer in my backpack (<3 Julebryg), it was flagged on the X-ray, and when they guy found it, saw "it was just a can of beer", he gave it back to me. I guess that works too.

I flew with liquor on a domestic Japanese flight. They didn’t even have a scanner. I showed them that I have it in my backpack and they said it’s no problem at all.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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In Berlin at BER I had someone from security straight up tell me that water being sold at a premium after security, with a profit for the airport shops that pay hefty rents, is the only reason for keeping up the 100ml liquids rule. That was a heated discussion point for a while, since the airport had to stop people from drinking tap water inside because of an e.coli infestation in the water system of the airport.

We're talking about the worst joke of an airport in the world, after all.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

It may be a sample size of one and whatnot, but as a European, the best security experience I've had has been in the US (LAX), by far.

In my neck of the woods, I have to take out basically everything from my carry-on. Laptop, camera, lenses, you name it, they want it out. Phone, keys, ditto. They usually ask for the belt to come out, too, and sometimes even the shoes. And this is even for internal flights.

LAX, by contrast, aside a circus number with some dogs sniffing people, was AOK. Everything stayed in the bag, the line moved constantly.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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In Tel Aviv they had very strict airport security measures: opening the suitcase and passing chemical papers several times, asking lots of questions, etc. The 1 liter bottle of water, you can pass that no problem. Maybe they already have these scanners?

In Israel you could go with full bottles of liquids for years. BTW, the opening of the suitcase is just in case of higher security concern (after the screening). If you check your passport you got a 5 on that sticker. Israeli citizens, people with friends or family there, couples at first visit don't get their bags open.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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post #14

First time I've seen a hint at why liquids were banned besides vague references to explosives: British police said they had foiled a plot to blow up as many as 10 planes using explosives hidden in drinks.

I think it was quite a developed plot, and led to several high profile trials and convictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_pl...

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Had a horrible experience at LTN once with one particular security staff. From the very beginning the lady doing the luggage inspection was being rude and patronising to me and to others.

When inspecting my luggage she pulled out every single item from my backpack with a glowing look of satisfaction on her face. She checked every single pouch for God knows what. I have never witnessed anything like it before.

When she got to the liquid bag I politely challenged her on the liquid policy which she could not properly explain in her broken English. She then took things personally and became agitated, verbally aggressive and retorted to phrases like: Is this your first time flying? What is your problem??

Her boss was called and he took 5 minutes of his time to explain things calmly and politely. Apparently gels like vapour rub or hair wax are considered liquids. We joked about butter also being a liquid since it's _spreadable_. All was good and I decided to head back to the front desk to have my luggage checked-in instead (liquids were over the allowance indeed).

But the lady I mentioned was high on her power trip and completely ignored my requests to hand back my ID, credit cards, phone, and backpack which were on a tray in her possession (behind the plexiglass screen). I asked twice and she just smirked and ignored it. Her boss also asked a couple of times until the penny finally dropped.

I've been at this airport many times before and have never experienced anything like this before. It's a horrendous abuse of power and overreach. Security inspection staff should not withhold or deposes people of their legal documents or belongings. It's degrading and abusive.

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