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Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by UncleEntity »

bratao wrote: post #26

While it may be controversial, I like that some companies are trying Work from Office, for multiple reasons: It forces companies to tap into a smaller talent pool locally, which can include more junior employees that may require training. This makes the company more inclusive and gives opportunities to those who might not otherwise have access to them. Let's not forget that one of the most successful companies in the…

> It forces companies to tap into a smaller talent pool locally…

But this is meta we’re talking about who are deeply embedded in the one place on earth every software developer wants to go to get the best job opportunities.

They might deny it on “moral grounds” but, yeah…

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by SamReidHughes »

next_xibalba wrote: post #22
basisword wrote: post #13

I think companies are trying to use the current economic environment as leverage to claw back some rights their workers have gained since 2020. It’s all about control, nothing to do with your output as an employee.

This is kind of an odd way to frame this. The increase of remote work, at Meta at least, was not a result of some kind of workers vs. management struggle in which workers temporarily gained an upper hand. It was the result of an exogenous event (the pandemic) forcing an on-the-fly experiment.

If anything, companies would favor remote work because it allows them to undercut the pay required for local talent.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

As I had written a long time back as Facebook slowly dies, we will see the monster thrashing and causing destruction in its wake. Trying to lobby for banning TikTok, getting rid of remote, they will try everything now. The metaverse idea failed and now they are completely lost.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by mrweasel »

Arguably I'm not quite done mulling over this, but I've started to wonder if the insistence that work-from-home isn't working, isn't an indication of failed management.

While software developers and similar roles have rather easily adapted to working from home, some managers haven't been able to keep up. I suspect this is because many of them weren't great manager to begin with. They struggle to do project planing, follow ups on current tasks and keeping the job queues full. Forcing people back into the office is an attempt to revert to an environment that hides poor management skills, even if it's worse for everyone else.

The success of "work from home" seems to me to be very much dependent on the management and culture of a company and Facebook may simply not have a management layer that can deal with developers not being at the office or working at odd hours.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by basisword »

next_xibalba wrote: post #22
basisword wrote: post #13

I think companies are trying to use the current economic environment as leverage to claw back some rights their workers have gained since 2020. It’s all about control, nothing to do with your output as an employee.

This is kind of an odd way to frame this. The increase of remote work, at Meta at least, was not a result of some kind of workers vs. management struggle in which workers temporarily gained an upper hand. It was the result of an exogenous event (the pandemic) forcing an on-the-fly experiment.

It was forced by the pandemic. Workers had to stay home, as required by governments, and companies had no choice but to adapt. In that time workers gained a right that only a small number of them could convince employers to give them before. It’s got to the point where a large number of people would quit their job rather than work in an office and now that that’s a risky proposition, companies can take the opportunity to remove that right from workers with less risk they’ll quit.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by next_xibalba »

basisword wrote: post #56
next_xibalba wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of an odd way to frame this. The increase of remote work, at Meta at least, was not a result of some kind of workers vs. management struggle in which workers temporarily gained an upper hand. It was the result of an exogenous event (the pandemic) forcing an on-the-fly experiment.

It was forced by the pandemic. Workers had to stay home, as required by governments, and companies had no choice but to adapt. In that time workers gained a right that only a small number of them could convince employers to give them before. It’s got to the point where a large number of people would quit their job rather than work in an office and now that that’s a risky proposition, companies can take the opportunit…

Your use of the word "right" is pretty far afield of how most people (lawyers, in particular) would use it. What you're describing is better described as an "emergency measure", "benefit", or "privilege".

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by albatross13 »

psychphysic wrote: post #46
albatross13 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think then, entering a bear market, you'd want to keep your best people happy by letting them WFH. But maybe they're going the HPE route and trying to cut staff via attrition. When I was at HP in 2014, Meg closed all satellite offices and got rid of most WFH- this lead to overly cramped offices as an abundance of employees were dragged back in. A lot of employees quit or simply took early retirement as a result…

These are new jobs. My pet theory is that meta is a business with no product or purpose at the moment. Once they know what they want to do to remain a business they will hire good people for that new product. I suspect though that "good people" for someone like Meta are usually head hunted and will be offered bespoke contracts from day 1. All tinfoil hat speculation on my part to be honest.

I follow, that makes sense.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Post by adversaryIdiot »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #49
la64710 wrote: post #12

Great job humans. Keep encouraging more daily commuters and contributing to greenhouse gases instead of making things better through technology. I am sure the next generations will thank us for this and not even showing the willpower to look at the issue objectively. /s

Before the pandemic I never touched my car Monday to Friday, I was strictly on the subway. I didn't even have a parking pass for work. Since working from home, I drive around the suburbs almost daily Monday to Friday for lunch/errands to get out of the house. People make weird assumptions.

It sounds like you may live in one of the few cities in America with public transportation
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