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AI porn will never be sexy

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Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by jrm4 »

agentwiggles wrote: post #35
jrm4 wrote: post #12

On one hand, this essay feels like a whole lot of "cope," but if we roll with the author's definition, I think that what people are (feeling/not feeling) is that all of our entertainment is deeply unsexy, even when it's trying to be. E.g.the whole superhero thing. Good looking strong people, and nothing remotely "sexy" related comes up until She-Hulk, and then people hate it. It's wild to me how ostensibly straight d…

> It's wild to me how ostensibly straight dudes got confronted with a little booty-shaking in their superhero story and they were all like "ewwww." I don't really consume MCU stuff, but having seen the scene in question, I think the "ewww" has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with the weird, annoying, try-hard-to-be-trendy vibe that it represents. It's the same cringe as the Hillary Clinto…

Sure -- but again, you're talking about SUPERHEROES as translated to BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES, which contain piles and piles of cringe all around.

For better or worse (I actually wasn't much at all intending to judge, just observer) it's interesting to consider why that particular cringe was some of the most notable?

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by Chris2048 »

jrm4 wrote: post #12

On one hand, this essay feels like a whole lot of "cope," but if we roll with the author's definition, I think that what people are (feeling/not feeling) is that all of our entertainment is deeply unsexy, even when it's trying to be. E.g.the whole superhero thing. Good looking strong people, and nothing remotely "sexy" related comes up until She-Hulk, and then people hate it. It's wild to me how ostensibly straight d…

There are plenty of straight white dudes buying comic books that that are serialised, and they find sexy (just look at the front covers in most comic book stores), one MU movie with bad CGI doesn't disprove that.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by Chris2048 »

Hmm, flagged already? I'm guessing it's not b/c the topic is uninteresting, but rather more attempted engineering of what HN is allowed to discuss. Let people enjoy things, indeed..

Whatever the case, this feels like someone with no skin in the game i.e. a non consumer of porn (Magdalene Taylor) speculating about the whole thing from an "disinterested academic" viewpoint.

Basic things like:

> One can easily google “hot women” and find a functionally endless supply of free visuals

yeah, but are they the types of images that are of interest? The real advantage of generation is the ability to generate images with features of interest without having to search (some things are hard to search for - see any niche porn sub-reddit to see what kind of thing), even harder if in short supply.

If the author can't imagine this, I'm not sure what they have to say on the topic..

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by Chris2048 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #41
xwkd wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is excellent bait, and I'll take it. You (hopefully) know as well as I do that twerking with Megan Thee Stallion is more of a "yas queen" than a "does this please you, viewer?" The thing that takes an ostensibly (lol) enticing sexual act and turns it into an "ewwww" is when it's wrapped up in a big box emblazoned with the letters "POLITICAL POWER PLAY." Oh yes please, that's exactly what I want, serve me some ti…

I disagree harshly with the parent, but I think your point of view is much more damaging. The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes, personality flaws, or political psychology plays to simply shoehorn booty-shaking into their superhero show (Occam's razor). I think your layering-on of all these other horrible things is actually indicative of a much more hateful attitude than the one…

> The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes

True, but if we take She-Hulk as an example, all the other stuff in the movie imply they do. In other words, they didn't simply shoehorn in booty-shaking, but rather included it in a political context.

If you disagree these layers exist, please, engage with the discussion and reason why - but simply gaslighting the poster, and implying they have a "hateful attitude" is itself a political play.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

This author has not visited https://civitai.com.

If you open an account, you will see the site is flooded with generated pictures from guys obsessing about the smallest details for hundred of hours.

Some users have trained models specialized in rendering vagina, boobs, or oiled body effects.

The dedications of this people and the cheer amount of work they produce for free is just going to compound into extraordinary results, like it always did in porn.

And they are having fun doing it. The models? They are called things like "better vulva" and "breast in class". The porn community is having a party right now, and after the hangover, we will be left with what they drunkenly chose as the winner.

Like they did with the VHS or flash streaming.

And it's going to generate trillions of dollars.

I can't help but note that the author is a woman, which is not the target audience of 99% of the porn, and seem to have no idea what man are capable of creating and enjoying when it's about jacking off.

Jokes on her, because the AI is probably going to be much better at emulating porn that women like than today's content, since it will be able to respond to the users.

Edit: damn, "porn" in the title and already flagged. This american puritanism is so hypocrite.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by mmh0000 »

AI porn seems to be exploding[], and I suspect as the generations get better with less error, that we'll see generated-porn overtake a large portion of all porn.

NSFW warning for all links:

[] https://civitai.com/

[] https://huggingface.co/hakurei/waifu-diffusion-v1-4

[] https://www.reddit.com/r/WaifuDiffusion/

[*] https://deepnude.cc/

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by dragonwriter »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #57

This author has not visited https://civitai.com . If you open an account, you will see the site is flooded with generated pictures from guys obsessing about the smallest details for hundred of hours. Some users have trained models specialized in rendering vagina, boobs, or oiled body effects. The dedications of this people and the cheer amount of work they produce for free is just going to compound into extraordinary…

What you don’t mention is that this also isn’t like qn isolated porn bubble within AI art: a lot of the general purpose art models (most of the ones that are merges and aren’t specifically focussed on non-human-shaped subjects) are merges that use one or more of the porn models because those are obsessively trained on anatomy, and improve results for non-porn images.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by jrm4 »

xwkd wrote: post #39
jrm4 wrote: post #12

On one hand, this essay feels like a whole lot of "cope," but if we roll with the author's definition, I think that what people are (feeling/not feeling) is that all of our entertainment is deeply unsexy, even when it's trying to be. E.g.the whole superhero thing. Good looking strong people, and nothing remotely "sexy" related comes up until She-Hulk, and then people hate it. It's wild to me how ostensibly straight d…

This is excellent bait, and I'll take it. You (hopefully) know as well as I do that twerking with Megan Thee Stallion is more of a "yas queen" than a "does this please you, viewer?" The thing that takes an ostensibly (lol) enticing sexual act and turns it into an "ewwww" is when it's wrapped up in a big box emblazoned with the letters "POLITICAL POWER PLAY." Oh yes please, that's exactly what I want, serve me some ti…

Of course.

But, I mean, we've now REALLY entered Rorschach-blot-test territory.

I think where you and I might agree: yes, that probably isn't much about "sexiness" but "power."

And that's about as far as our agreement goes, I think. I don't really have a problem with it. Perhaps, you're so vain, I bet you think that "yas queen" is about you?

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