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My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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post #15

This is not a big deal. Reading the pre-set text from an adventure module and rolling monster dice is the easy part of being a DM. clap clap ChatGPT . Having a personality, bringing out laughter, banter and fun, i.e. being a human being is the hard part. You aint got what it takes ChatGPT, stupid language regurgitating machine.

What stage of denial is this?

The “I’m a professional DM” stage.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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I thought ChatGPT had pretty limited recall of past context of your conversation. How can it remember the details needed across an entire campaign?

You could ask it to write a 5-10 bullet point summary at the end of each session, keep a separate file where you keep all the session summaries, and then include that summary at the beginning of your first prompt when beginning a new play session. But still, it would be difficult to get it to remember all the details of a lengthy campaign like a human would.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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post #32

Kind of fun but also kind of deeply depressing. D&D and boardgames are great ways to socialize in our modern internet separated world - shifting these even more towards solo pursuits feels like it'd be a loss. I grew up on both MUDs and TTRPGs which served as awesome creative outlets for collaborative story telling - I do hope that we make sure we're not optimizing away creativity.

There's been a solo rpg movement around for a long time. And solitaire is literally one of the og single player board games - it's literally in the name (translates to lone or loner)! And personally, I consider all fiction authors and screenwriters to be solo rpg gamers, they just don't have to abide by any specific rules other than their own. There's room for both social and solo pursuits in life and it's not necessarily depressing to engage in the solo if the person is enjoying themselves.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…

These are the most common options available at the stables in Aelondar. If you’re interested in more exotic mounts or transportation methods, they may be harder to find and come at a higher cost. ...

tenzin rolled a 18 investagation looking for more exotic mounts

With Tenzin’s keen eye for detail, he notices a small, discreet stable towards the back of the market, guarded by a heavy wooden gate. As he approaches, an elderly woman, who appears to be the stable’s owner, greets him. “Ah, you have a good eye, young one,” she says with a smile. “You must be looking for something special. I do have some exotic mounts for those with discerning tastes and a willingness to pay.”

Honestly, this seems like a reasonable outcome. ChatGPT says they might be hard to find, character rolls an 18, and he finds them. What do you think should have been the response? "No, you don't get to roll to search for them"? The DM set up a potential hidden item, the player rolled high enough to find it, voila.

Compare to when he's trying to steal one of them. He rolls high enough stealth, but fails animal handling. To avoid being caught, he has another roll that allows him to cause chaos by opening up a stall and allowing him to escape. That all seems like a pretty well fleshed out scenario.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. Party rolls to try and steal an exotic mount and it doesn’t really work so they leave. This is a hard problem. It’s bad DMing imo. But it’s the natural outcome from a probabilistic model. I’m guessing you could announce your intention to search for just about anything and get the model to let you f…

> Paraphrasing, the party goes to a mount shop, dude says he’s gonna roll to find exotic mounts, and voila, exotic mounts. The AI suggested that there were exotic mounts to be found at a higher cost

The issue is that you’d probably get that result, or a similar it equivalent one, wherever you go in the game world. It isn’t going to have the concept of distinct characteristics of different places unless to tell it to. Everything is going to be generic and bland by default.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

#56
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In lots of ways AI dungeon was better because you could have philosophical conversations with it about the nature of its own existence without the guardrails going up constantly

The incessant guardrails get really annoying. Anything romantic gets shut right down. You try to roleplay with it and tell it to “say X when I say Y” and it outright refuses. Use it for translating and sometimes it’ll refuse and say your prompt violated guidelines. I was really hoping to use it as an alternative to DeepL for translating Japanese manga but the guardrails are too narrow.

At some point I asked it for a transcript from the trial of the Hamburgular and that triggered the guardrails, It lectured me about misinformation and how the Hamburgular was just a character from a series of ads and that no such criminal proceedings had ever transpired. The nagging from OpenAI is getting out of hand. Maybe instead of "hello" it should just open the conversation with telling us how the thing we are about to say is unethical and inappropriate.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

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https://old.reddit.com/r/interactivefiction/comments/11z6p84... I shared some experiments on r/interactivefiction I made this past week with regards to writing interactive fictions using chatGPT. Interactive fictions are text based role-playing games you play on your computer. They were popular in the 80s and the scene is still alive to this day (although not commercially as big as it once was) with amateur hobbyist…

I also ran some experiments with IF. An interesting note is ReAct, a framework for getting LLMs to solve problems, ran tests within ALFWorld, which is sorta IF. It would be interesting to get GPT to navigate games from IFDB. As a IF generator an LLM could allow for more freedom in an IF game.

https://github.com/alfworld/alfworld

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

#59

I thought ChatGPT had pretty limited recall of past context of your conversation. How can it remember the details needed across an entire campaign?

I've heard that GPT4's token limit is equivalent to a small novella. That's a lot of campaign details to take into consideration. Read the full transcript in OP to get a sense of how it does.

We get this prompt: "(In the interest of time, for the remainder of the game you decide the outcomes so that we don’t need to roll.)"

And at this point (which wasn't even through the end of the first combat encounter against some extremely basic enemies), we have no idea if it's actually playing D&D or if it's a freeform text adventure where narratively appropriate things happen at narratively appropriate times.

Re: My kids and I just played D&D with ChatGPT4 as the DM

#60
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do I need to buy it from them if I can just do it myself directly on OpenAI? (Or are you implying that OpenAI will censor it?)

Once they collaborate with 'Open'AI to build a product out for this niche, it's incredibly unlikely that OpenAI will continue to provide this service to you.

As an AI language model I cannot help you violate intellectual property laws, you can visit wizards.com/ai and become a gold-tier subscriber to play interactive Dungeons and Dragons with an AI dungeon master. Or maybe we can play a different game.
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