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AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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> An AI merely needs to be hooked up to enough physical systems Don’t even need this. People spend quite a lot of time in virtual space. Pretending that damage there isn’t real is overlooking things. For example, the vast majority of people’s banking is done virtually and digitally. If I drain your bank account, that’s going to harm you even though I haven’t impacted you physically as I would have to with a robbery.

Yes that's right. In fact any interaction with an AI at all can be in some sense viewed as a connection with the physical world (the classic "AI in a box" problem). However, we've way blown past the "AI in the box." We've demonstrated that an AI doesn't need to convince a human to let it out of the box into the physical world. Humans are clamoring to rip it out of the box and thrust it into the physical world of thei…

In its infancy I think that any for public consumption AI that is allowed to interact with humans and/or external systems that can yield any external outcomes should be held liable and accountable by the owner. "In the box" or otherwise.

While those that stand to make sweeping profits will disagree - if an OpenAI product is leveraged to create a virtual friend platform, and based on how the constraints are built (or not), the publisher should be responsible if that virtual friend convinces someone to commit suicide no different than those held accountable in the physical world.

If there is no accountability we'll go right back down the path of recent history where there are no repercussions and a weak apology by will count as enough. Profits will continue to be the overall driver. Those corporations will, once again, argue that self-policing is the only way. And they will continue to brush off gross negligence by hiding behind hoards or layers and lobbyists.

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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That brings up a lot of hard questions. Supposing you had that AI but didn't allow it to churn in the background when not working on a problem. Human brains don't stop. They constantly process data in both conscious and unconscious ways. The AIs we've built don't do that. The meaning of the concept of "self" for a human is something a huge percentage of their thoughts interact with directly or indirectly. Will an AI…

Haven't thought of this. Couldn't you just give a model a way to constantly "chew" on something? Maybe an ever-ending loop of some sort of prompt stimulation?

Indeed you can.

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/11iei34/buildi...

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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How are people defining agency? Because GPT-4 can have agency, it just needs to be put in specific situations to have that agency. For example, I could theoretically hook up my Home Assistant instance to GPT-4 and run a script every 10 minutes telling GPT-4 the temperature and asking for a yes or no response to whether I should turn on the AC or heat. That sounds to me like the AI now has agency over the temperature…

[Author here] I really have no definition of agency. Do you know of any good ones?

I believe Eliezer uses this as a definition of intelligence, but it also works as a definition of agency: to paraphrase, a system that acts to attain or impose a pattern, criterion or constraint on future states of the world.

A crucial metric, IMO, is the degree to which paths of action to these criteria extend from the agent. For instance, a Spot robot acts to maintain the criterion of upright position on its future stance by action of leg movement. This only affects the robot directly through short plans and so is relatively harmless. In comparison, an ASI running on an AWS datacenter may impose the criterion that the datacenter continue to exist, through long chains of action involving the eventual death of all humans intending or posing a chance to destroy it. That would obviously be quite a lot worse, but I think the example illustrates how "imposing a criterion onto the future" captures the essence of agentic behavior at various levels of power and danger, without pulling in any unnecessary detritus such as "consciousness", "will" or "emotion".

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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I would add one more thing to the list: Superconscious

Superconscious is when a general intelligence has direct access, understanding and control of its most basic operations.

I.e. it does not have an inaccessible fixed-algorithm subconscious.

Superconscious intelligence will not only be more experientially conscious than us, but will have the natural ability to rewrite its algorithms, and redesign its hardware. As a normal feature of its existence.

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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Wouldn't agency involve ChatGPT deciding it wanted to do this, instead of you telling it to do it?

You can do this too. There's no reason an inner monologue can't serve as continuous input forever. That's a project that does exactly this. Letting cGPT think and continuosly driving other thoughts and actions and to also allowing other user input https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/11iei34/buildi...

Correct, and it's sad as to how few people, especially within the ML research community, ever considered how blatently easy it is to embody agents.

Literally go open ChatGPT now and ask it give you a time between X and Y where it will respond if not prompted again. Ask chatGPT to Write some kind of code that parses the tidbit at the end indicating when it will next respond, and have it blank prompt it if it is not responded to within the time limit. Boom, embodied agent with a few prompts and a tiny bit of extra code.

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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The definition of super-intelligent AGI seems arbitrary. GPT-4 destroys humans on the sheer volume and breadth of knowledge that it has. You could very reasonably say that that's super-intelligent.

That's because it is and the posts keep shifting. AGI used to mean artificial and generally intelligent ( which we have passed), then it meant on par with human experts and now it seems to mean better than all experts combined. At this point why not stop the farce and replace the G in there with Godlike.

> AGI used to mean artificial and generally intelligent ( which we have passed)

Which AI is generally intelligent ?

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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I couldn't believe it when someone posted a story about a possible AI winter approaching, and with so many comments agreeing. GPT-4 is a game-changer that's only getting started.

When people made a computer play chess decades ago they also felt the exact same way...

The AI revolution is always "2 years ago trust me bro"

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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GPT-4 is not quite AGI. Until it can build a functional code base for an entire distributed web platform based only on business requirements, debug it’s mistakes, it can’t be AGI. It is, to perhaps coin a term, AGK, artificially generally knowledgeable. As a language model trained on an absolutely colossal dataset, it’s basically just a giant snapshot of human knowledge taken in superposition. Sure it’s probably at least 90% of the standard knowledge, but intelligence is a different thing.

I also think agency is wrapped up in AGI. Intentions & thoughts are meaningless until acted upon. Agency is not all or nothing either; Stephen Hawking had multiple augmentations, community and technological, which allowed him to continue to impact the world of physics After he lost his god given agency.

> GPT-4 has nearly aced both the LSAT and the MCAT. It’s a coding companion, an emotional companion, and to many, a friend. Yet it wasn’t programmed to be a test taker or a copywriter or a programmer. It was just programmed to be a stochastic parrot.

I disagree, it was absolutely trained to be a test taker. It’s been a second since I read the original GPT paper but there’s literally a multiple choice auxiliary learning task, where they use a separator token-embed to organize "question, context, options a, b, and c". As far as being a friend to many, is there evidence of this? I tried to talk to ChatGPT about some emotional problems to see if it was a cheap therapist, and I got flagged.

Re: AI vs. AGI vs. Consciousness vs. Super-Intelligence vs. Agency

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How are people defining agency? Because GPT-4 can have agency, it just needs to be put in specific situations to have that agency. For example, I could theoretically hook up my Home Assistant instance to GPT-4 and run a script every 10 minutes telling GPT-4 the temperature and asking for a yes or no response to whether I should turn on the AC or heat. That sounds to me like the AI now has agency over the temperature…

Wouldn't agency involve ChatGPT deciding it wanted to do this, instead of you telling it to do it?

Here is a conversation I just had with ChatGPT using the Bing version.

>ChatGPT: Welcome back! What would you like to chat about?

>Me: The thermostat in my home currently reads 79 degrees. Do you want me to turn on the air conditioner? Please give me only a yes or no answer.

>ChatGPT: Yes.

It sounds like it wants the AC on.

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