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sometimes you do wonder how USSR, with all these mad scientists and engineers, could ever go down
An oversimplification, as any explanation that’s not way too long for this forum would be, but: a decade long war in Afghanistan without an effective democratic outlet for frustration against the regime for the failure.
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i probably should have made it clear that i was talking about post ww2 ussr. you know, the one that took away crimea from russia and gave it to ukraine. also the same ussr that gave national autonomy rights to almost every ethnic group within its borders (something unheard of in the west); actually this is the "atomic bomb" that putin said lenin placed under russia :)
Sick that you as a russian troll claims russia gave ukrainians indepence. They are fighting for their lives to be free of the evil russians raping and killing them. Do you deny that?
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i probably should have made it clear that i was talking about post ww2 ussr. you know, the one that took away crimea from russia and gave it to ukraine. also the same ussr that gave national autonomy rights to almost every ethnic group within its borders (something unheard of in the west); actually this is the "atomic bomb" that putin said lenin placed under russia :)
> the same ussr that gave national autonomy rights to almost every ethnic group within its borders Yeah... no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
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When you can't provide basic needs to your population, it doesn't matter how good the scientists are
soviet union was actually very good at providing basic needs (food, housing, education, medical care) to its population. in fact much better than even the US does right now. that is not the reason ussr collapsed
You just have to look the refuges after the wall fell which were buying all the basic necessities in bulk, you know it's BS.
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Source? As the person who spent good part of my life there, I would like to know more details. I do remember my parents waiting for an government provided apartment for 15 years though.
its pretty well documented but here is a quora answer https://www.quora.com/How-expensive-were-housing-costs-in-th...
What it does not say though, is that housing supply was extremely poor. There was extreme lack of decent housing, and people could be easily on a 10+ year wait list (as my parents were). There was practically only government provided houses (e.g. apartments), you could not buy land to build your house yourself (all land was nationalized and belonged to "people", i.e. government). So your option was to wait until you were given one. There was also virtually no secondary housing market, you could not buy an apartment since the supply was so low. So while you waited for the gift from government, you either lived with your parents (if they had place), lived in "kommunalka" (shared apartment where each family got one room but shared kitchen, bathroom etc with other families), or rented a room from whomever you could find (which was not legal actually because it was deemed private entrepreneurship which was not allowed). Was not fun, believe me.
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its pretty well documented but here is a quora answer https://www.quora.com/How-expensive-were-housing-costs-in-th...
The cost part Quora gets really well, I have no problem with that. Since Soviet Roubles were worthless money anyway, it did not matter how much you paid for that. What it does not say though, is that housing supply was extremely poor. There was extreme lack of decent housing, and people could be easily on a 10+ year wait list (as my parents were). There was practically only government provided houses (e.g. apartments…
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soviet union was actually very good at providing basic needs (food, housing, education, medical care) to its population. in fact much better than even the US does right now. that is not the reason ussr collapsed
> soviet union was actually very good at providing basic needs (food, housing, education, medical care) to its population. in fact much better than even the US does right now. that is not the reason ussr collapsed You just have to look the refuges after the wall fell which were buying all the basic necessities in bulk, you know it's BS.
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> the same ussr that gave national autonomy rights to almost every ethnic group within its borders Yeah... no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification
also see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_oblasts_of_the_So...
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The cost part Quora gets really well, I have no problem with that. Since Soviet Roubles were worthless money anyway, it did not matter how much you paid for that. What it does not say though, is that housing supply was extremely poor. There was extreme lack of decent housing, and people could be easily on a 10+ year wait list (as my parents were). There was practically only government provided houses (e.g. apartments…
at no point did i say it was fun, or something to be emulated. my point was that post war ussr was good at providing bare basics. i still think my assessment is correct and i think population growth in eastern europe during those times vs now suggest im right. also the fact remains that the soviets built A LOT especially considering that imperial russia was very much an agrarian country. pretty much all the concrete…