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Page builders might not be a good idea
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Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am in the position of "managing" for clients a fleet of ~200 websites built with a page builder. Every clients has the key to the kingdom and websites have diverged from their original look and feel. The brand recognition we sought for them is all out the window and steering back the whole fleet to a uniform design is impossible. The page builder allowed them to change everything and so they did. It's now up to a p…
Why can't the content be extracted? This makes little sense to me, as you could just even extract content from raw HTML by crawling the websites.
Once they get into the builder for the page they add all sort of widgets, accordion, tabs that only make sense in the builder theme, etc.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it sounds like it's the norm and pass it as a valid argument but it does sound more like a passed down urban legend, not even personal. Or what went on is something more like "a buddy of mine contacted that big agency for their small one-page website and he was told they don't take projects under 200k because they work for big clients and big complex projects, lol can you believe they ask 200k for a small we…
Then there are others where you go pay 10k and get a WordPress spaghetti that no one else is willing to take on because it just is done completely out of standards of WP. So how do you as a small business owner even know whether the agency you pay 10k is giving you good and maintainable code? in 2 years when you want changes you'll realise that no one wants to work on this or if they do, they will ask much more, and…
> So how do you as a small business owner even know whether the agency you pay 10k is giving you good and maintainable code?
Like in any other industry: you network and connect and consult with people before knocking on any random agency door.
I don't ring a random plumber, I ask a friend or two if they know someone who's reliable.
Also, you need to add maintenance to your budget.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#54Looks like dark mode is broken under firefox, the top banner shows white text on a white background.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#55Paying Web "Designers" Might Not Be a Good Idea. This is just a sign of their dwindling business.
I thought "web designers" were already out of business just like "web masters".
Nowadays these are "UX/UI designers" who most likely will also be not that needed soon.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#56I use page builders every day despite being able to code, I think they're great but they all suffer from the same issue. The developers of the page builder tool need to decide what you can change and what you can't, and it's purely subjective. If you make absolutely everything editable you've just replaced editing CSS with a GUI (more or less Webflow) and you can't hand over a complex UI to a non-dev. I don't know how you solve this problem.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#57I find this whole thing thoroughly unconvincing. Page builders provide enormous value for a modest price. If you run into an insurmountable problem with one, you could rebuild your whole site on a different platform (including manually copying over all the content), and then do that again a few more times, and still spend far less than you would having an agency develop a bespoke site with the latest trendy tech that…
The only issue i find with your proposition is that one could simply rebuild a whole site on a different platform: while that is true, one does not own or hold the code for the site as built using a website builder afaik (correct me if im wrong) and hence it is difficult to get similar results as the one on the "current" builder and takes up extra labour, where hiring a website builder and maintainer will ensure the ownership of the code.
Re: Page builders might not be a good idea
#58Page builders and LLMs are the future. There was a time when that wouldn't be as plausible, but the web is reverting back to being a place to dump text and media, and host restaurant menus, in which case it begs the question why we need so many web developers.
not so sure about LLMs or what parallels they hold with page builders