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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Tsiklon »

Aachen wrote: post #43
notRobot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong. It's a 16:10 screen. CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35280523

Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

16:10 has been around and relatively popular for at least 17 years. The original 2006 MacBook Pro had a 16:10 1440x900 panel

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by cue_the_strings »

Terretta wrote: post #44
cue_the_strings wrote: post #30

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WOW! I think I'm going to pre-order one, trackpoint be damned! My wife is a bit suspicious of these laptops, let's see how this one fares. I just need to check if it'll work with my Thinkpad Thunderbolt 3 dock (or something similar, I can buy another dock) to output to 2x 4K (actually 3840x2560, so bigger than 4K) monitors. I can currently both power my Thinkpad, and connect all the peripherals, with 1 USB-C cable. I…

It does work with 2 x 4K TB3 docks, and you only need a single cable with USB-C charging and monitors you can daisy chain.

I know that the Intel one does, I'm just looking for definite confirmation that the AMD one does. I'll shoot them an e-mail.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by epmaybe »

Tsiklon wrote: post #51
Aachen wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

16:10 has been around and relatively popular for at least 17 years. The original 2006 MacBook Pro had a 16:10 1440x900 panel

Most if not all MacBooks today are still 16:10 ratio..

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by speed_spread »

bleep_bloop wrote: post #35
rvense wrote: post #25

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I wish there was a single module with two USB-A ports, but I don't think they're wide enough.

That would be an extremely niche use case. Can't imagine any scenario needing more than 2-3 x USB A ports outdoors. In any case it would make much more sense to use a dock.

Niche? One for the keyboard, one for the mouse. That's a normal computer, if you believe wires are better than Bluetooth.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by vetinari »

GuB-42 wrote: post #50
vetinari wrote: post #42

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The "respectable" resellers do keep paperwork where given license comes from. Just because it is legal to sell them, doesn't mean you cannot be audited what exactly are you selling (once you attract the attention of powerful people). So while some might come from MSDN subscribers, they often come from unused enterprise ones. The MSDN sellers are creating a big risk to themselves.

Now, real question, how do you distinguish between "respectable" resellers and MSDN sellers?

Normal people? Hardly.

I would look whether they are located in EU (due to the ECJ ruling) and whether they also sell something other than what is available over MSDN.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dagw »

vetinari wrote: post #33
GuB-42 wrote: post #16

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It is not legal, but the advantage is that you don't have to deal with shady software like that pirate KMS server. Even though it is a breach of contract because it is not how these licences are supposed to be used, it is still recognized as genuine by Microsoft, so you get all the updates, etc... You may get your license revoked it the seller get caught and as a result, you may need to get a new one. As an individua…

It is legal, there's ECJ ruling that software can be resold. It cannot be a breach of contract, if that contract article preventing it would be unlawful. Microsoft of course knows it, they are silent about the issue, preferring fear and doubt, just like you demonstrated.

The ECJ ruling only applies to Full Perpetual licenses of software. If these licenses came with other restrictions (could only be sold bundled with hardware, as part of a subscription, limited to use in academic settings only etc.) then they cannot simply be resold without those restrictions.

A lot of people in fact point to this ruling as a reason why more and more companies switched from perpetual licenses to subscription licenses. Without a full licenses there is nothing to resell and this ECJ ruling doesn't apply

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by unwind »

Framework have a very ... localization-interested website, that can be confusing some times in my opinion. The link here seems to go to the French (hence the /fr/fr/ in the URI) version of the blog post, but I still got to see it in English. Confusing. Here [1] is the non-localized version.

[1]: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by causi »

bleep_bloop wrote: post #37
Leimi wrote: post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

My ten inch Win Max 2 has 2x USB-C, 3x USB-A, HDMI, headphone jack, a full size SD card slot and a microSD slot, a 2280 m.2 slot and a 2230 m.2 slot.

Demand better of your manufacturers.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by goosedragons »

bleep_bloop wrote: post #37
Leimi wrote: post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

4 ports total or 4 USB C ports? A ThinkPad X13 has two USB C, two USB A and an HDMI port. Not that hard to use all of them without a hub. One USB C for power, USB A for keyboard/mouse, HDMI for monitor and the other USB C for external SSD.
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