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The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

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Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not debunk everything I just wrote instead of attacking me personally? Google is your friend and you can verify everything I said about: Tinubu's drug trafficking indictment: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61732548

Also, this is ridiculous > he became an "instant millionaire" while working as an auditor at Deloitte and Touche.

Deloitte denies having a record of ever employing him, like you can see here [0].

[0]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhhvN-fXEAAOTOK?format=jpg&name=...

Tinubu claimed to be making $850k in annual pre-tax bonuses working for Deloitte. Today, Directors at Deloitte make 340k total comp annually, according to Glassdoor, and that's before you factor in inflation. What type of joke is this?

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#53
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why not debunk everything I just wrote instead of attacking me personally? Google is your friend and you can verify everything I said about: Tinubu's drug trafficking indictment: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61732548

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Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#54
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant heroin trafficking

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It's pretty easy to find articles about it on Bing Chat.

https://businessday.ng/news/article/u-s-court-judgement-indi...

Also this appears to be the Indictment document: https://www.scribd.com/document/580028043/Bola-Ahmed-Tinubu-...

Considering the needlessly passive aggressive tone, I would assume you are a supporter. Maybe it can be more useful conversation if you write your perspective on the matter instead of demanding easy to find articles about the Bola Ahmed Tinubu Heroin Trafficking Indictment?

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#55

This is a great example of why electronic voting is important and can help secure democracy.

On the contrary, eletronic voting doesn't create the paper trail necessary to dig up frauds like this. You can simply program or hack the system to report any vote total you want.

First of all, hacking the electronic system is much much harder than hacking the paper process. In the case at hand the paper tallying process was the one hacked.

And second, electronic systems can create a paper trail, just make the electronic machine spit out a paper receipt. Then you have the best of both worlds, you can have instant electronic totals, and then do some random sampling recounts of the receipts to validate the result.

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#56

This is a great example of why electronic voting is important and can help secure democracy.

> This is a great example of why electronic voting is important and can help secure democracy. If those in power are against change, I wouldn't want to have to put my trust in electronic voting if I was hoping for change. I was left with the impression that it is the paper records in this story that led to the unravelling of an attempt to forge the results. Long live paper ballots.

> I was left with the impression that it is the paper records in this story that led to the unravelling of an attempt to forge the results.

The manual tallying of paper records is what lead to the attempt to forge the results in the first place. If the results were electronically tallied to generate an official result, then they wouldn't need to recount the whole election to verify the result, just doing a statistically significant random sampling of the polls to recount would be enough.

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#57
post #18

The context should be dated to 2020, not 2023 Edit: it was now corrected, no need to downvote Great story! Looking forward to some follow up

I don't understand. The article says the SARS protests started in 2020 and the election was in 2023. This seems correct.

Yes, it was now corrected

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not debunk everything I just wrote instead of attacking me personally? Google is your friend and you can verify everything I said about: Tinubu's drug trafficking indictment: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61732548

churchill I am not attacking you, I am just drawing your attention to bring solid evidence. the link you provided, I couldn't find where the article states that Tinibu is accused of Drug trafficking or Shettima Terrorism.

From the linked article:

> While the court confirmed it had cause to believe the money in the bank accounts were the proceeds of drug trafficking

Re: The drama in trying to convert election PDFs to Spreadsheets

#59
post #39

Isn't things like this the reason that the UN provide election observers? By spot checking just a random 100 votes are correctly tallied, you can be pretty sure the outcome of the election is legit in a > 10M voter country.

> By spot checking just a random 100 votes are correctly tallied How do you do that? I think the only error you could detect is when the tally has fewer votes for a party than what’s in that sample. If so, a fraudster could report 100 votes for every party, and add the remaining to whatever party they want to win.

You have to design the election system with this in mind.

One such design would be for every vote to have a unique id. When announcing the results, you also publish a list of which vote ids were tallied for which candidate.

Then you have 100 random ids, and the checkers watch those votes all the way from the voter casting them to the final tally.

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