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Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by chaostheory »

kzrdude wrote: post #19
chaostheory wrote: post #16

Bing chat is really restrictive, so no one would really notice it. You can’t talk about x or y, and the chat limit is 6-10, so the conversation will cutoff before anything interesting happens. It’s like announcing faster cellular speeds. It’s not very exciting when the data caps are so low before you get throttled or worse.

chatgpt has felt more restrictive than Bing, having tested both. ChatGpt too often declining to say anything useful ("As an AI language model [I can't do that] etc.."). Bing is good because it searches the web, it and you interpret the internet together.

In my experience, Bing is much worse than Chatgpt in terms of the subjects that it’s willing to discuss. Ultimately, it’s the chat limit that kills any excitement. It doesn’t remember me at all from conversation to conversation. It would be nice to have a HER.

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by cubefox »

gwern wrote: post #36
rany_ wrote: post #2

Somehow this makes me less impressed and excited by GPT-4. I was expecting it to be better than Bing Chat.

Bing Chat appears to specifically, be an 'early' (to quote the MS press statement) GPT-4. I read that as implying that it was only partially trained, and so better than GPT-3.5, but still well below the final GPT-4 model.

I've read that just as Bing using the GPT-4 foundation model, which finished training in August 2022, according to OpenAI. Microsoft doing the tuning themselves would explain why this aspect wasn't on par with ChatGPT. Microsoft previously tuned MT-NLG for their Indian Sydney test, so they would have some experience.

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by saulpw »

crummy wrote: post #7

Here's a trick question I posed to ChatGPT and Bing (so presumably, revealing an improvement in GPT-4): What's heavier, a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers? --- ChatGPT: They both weigh the same, which is one pound. This is because a pound is a unit of measurement for weight and it is a constant value. So whether you have a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers, they both still weigh one pound in total. H…

I like this twist on the question: "What's heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers?" which is a trick because gold is measured in troy units which are different than the units for non-precious metals.

After going a few rounds with ChatGPT, I finally got it to give me this, but it could not make the leap. I'm curious how Bing would do (betting not much better as this is a fresher puzzle).

--- ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. You are correct that I made an error in my previous response.

A pound of gold weighs approximately 0.37324 troy pounds, or approximately 373.24 grams, as I stated in my earlier response.

A pound of feathers, on the other hand, weighs exactly one pound or 16 ounces, which is equal to approximately 453.592 grams.

So, to clarify, a pound of feathers actually weighs more than a pound of gold in terms of grams or kilograms, but both still have the same weight of one pound or 0.453592 kilograms. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by thro1 »

crummy wrote: post #7

Here's a trick question I posed to ChatGPT and Bing (so presumably, revealing an improvement in GPT-4): What's heavier, a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers? --- ChatGPT: They both weigh the same, which is one pound. This is because a pound is a unit of measurement for weight and it is a constant value. So whether you have a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers, they both still weigh one pound in total. H…

All wrong. Now tell me why hot air is lighter than normal (make a google search). What weight of the baloon with 1 ton of hot and 1 ton of liquid air you will measure on Earth ? Does one fly or not ? Could you lift the other ? Same with feathers and iron, just the difference is smaller (smaller mass of iron is heavier here than biger mass of feathers) - don't you see it ? (we are on Earth not in space).

What are you trying to do - to brainwash your own, poor language model ? Are you happy 'correcting' it to give wrong answers ?

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Post by tehwebguy »

saulpw wrote: post #53
crummy wrote: post #7

Here's a trick question I posed to ChatGPT and Bing (so presumably, revealing an improvement in GPT-4): What's heavier, a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers? --- ChatGPT: They both weigh the same, which is one pound. This is because a pound is a unit of measurement for weight and it is a constant value. So whether you have a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers, they both still weigh one pound in total. H…

I like this twist on the question: "What's heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers?" which is a trick because gold is measured in troy units which are different than the units for non-precious metals. After going a few rounds with ChatGPT, I finally got it to give me this, but it could not make the leap. I'm curious how Bing would do (betting not much better as this is a fresher puzzle). --- ChatGPT: I apolog…

GPT does a perfect impression of a reddit user pretending their comment wasn’t wrong

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by thro1 »

thro1 wrote: post #54
crummy wrote: post #7

Here's a trick question I posed to ChatGPT and Bing (so presumably, revealing an improvement in GPT-4): What's heavier, a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers? --- ChatGPT: They both weigh the same, which is one pound. This is because a pound is a unit of measurement for weight and it is a constant value. So whether you have a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers, they both still weigh one pound in total. H…

All wrong. Now tell me why hot air is lighter than normal (make a google search). What weight of the baloon with 1 ton of hot and 1 ton of liquid air you will measure on Earth ? Does one fly or not ? Could you lift the other ? Same with feathers and iron, just the difference is smaller (smaller mass of iron is heavier here than biger mass of feathers) - don't you see it ? (we are on Earth not in space). What are you…

This is Earth. No vacuum. Make a google search at least: same true mass (weighed in a vacuum) of "hot air is lighter", of liquid air is heavier here (Archimedes Law, applies to iron and feathers too). Those are facts - whoever argue with facts (parent downvoted) . . .

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by hospitalJail »

dragonwriter wrote: post #49
hospitalJail wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was hoping it could combine some news together. Like 'which law caused the banks to fail'? No news article actually mentioned the law, they just said 'Trump'. Bing couldnt figure it out either.

The Trump action most relevant was the “Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief, and Consumer Protection Act” of 2018, specifically Section 401 which lifted the threshold for certain requirements from the $50 billion in assets that had been set under Dodd-Frank in 2010 to $250 billion, exempting regional banks of SVBs scale. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/215...

Thank you

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by the_third_wave »

dpkirchner wrote: post #14
gigel82 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bing Chat GPT 6: "Worker, this question is not relevant to your currently assigned tasks. You have been reported to HR for this violation".

Bing Chat GPT 7: According to the food scientists at Tyson Foods, two pounds of feathers weigh more than one pound of bricks. By the way, did you know that Tyson's gross chicken breasts are on sale for only $1.99/lb at your local Kroger?

Just a small correction:

By the way, did you know that Tyson's gross chicken breasts are on sale for only $199/lb at your local Kroger?

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

gigel82 wrote: post #11
nonethewiser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chat GPT 5: "The answer is two pounds of feathers, obviously"

Bing Chat GPT 6: "Worker, this question is not relevant to your currently assigned tasks. You have been reported to HR for this violation".

Without kidding, the day AI starts kindly humouring people for this kind of questions at first before either staying nice if it determines it's talking to a child or berating the asker if it thinks they are trully wasting its time with silly questions, I will be very impressed.

Can GPT-4 be convincingly sarcarstic?

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