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How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #36
blackoil wrote: post #21

It may not be 'Open' in sense of open-source or free, but it is open that I can access it and use it in my projects. Before this companies like Google/Facebook had such models but closed in sense that we can get some papers and blog posts but can't rely on them to build our startup. Because of financial and people resources required, availability of data etc. rest always stayed. Now I can use ChatGPT, Gpt-3/4, Whispe…

That, like, an incredibly low bar as to what's considered "open". (For all we know ChatGPT might be just an outsourced Indian call center under the hood. We don't actually know how it works.)

OpenishAI

The Indian was too expensive, it is a Kenyan [1].

[1] "OpenAI Used Kenyan Workers on Less Than $2 Per Hour to Make ChatGPT Less Toxic" https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by casebash »

bingu wrote: post #5

I thought it was so cool how a non-profit made one of the most game changing tech products in years. Then I was incredibly bummed when I realized they weren't a non profit anymore.

They are still dedicated towards trying to advance humanity and I think that's more important than non-profit status. (For the record, I'm uncertain whether they are net positive or not given that I am skeptical of their approach to safety).

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by komali2 »

textninja wrote: post #31
paxys wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason why Microsoft was able to execute so fast was that they had nothing to lose in doing so. The entirety of the Bing product and brand is mostly immaterial to the company's bottom line. What better way to try and revitalize it than by taking a huge leap with some hot new tech that is capturing the public imagination? If that leap is successful, you get to open up a huge new line of business and challenge Goog…

How about… 3D spreadsheets , man. You finish tallying up all your credits and debits, and then wham! You’re sprung into another dimension. It’s Google Tensorsheets, man, Microsoft won’t even know what hit them.

This is what got me into programming way back when. I was a recruiter and doing things in spreadsheets, and I was like, I need a way to link data in a 3rd dimension, not just on the x and y axis. And then I was like actually if 3 dimensions why not 4 or more? So I asked on like, stackoverflow or something, do spreadsheets like that exist, and someone answered "you're basically describing a database with linking between tables," which led to me rabbitholing, learning more, getting into programming, and changing careers.

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by dmonitor »

paxys wrote: post #20
samspenc wrote: post #11

I think the article does a good job capturing the history of what happened. OpenAI started out with the intention of being a non-profit, but realized over time that it made it difficult to compete in terms of salary and hardware, so pivoted to a 'capped' for-profit. As for Microsoft, my guess is their investment was just another investment in a hot AI 'startup'. It was sheer luck, and being in the right place at the…

One reason why Microsoft was able to execute so fast was that they had nothing to lose in doing so. The entirety of the Bing product and brand is mostly immaterial to the company's bottom line. What better way to try and revitalize it than by taking a huge leap with some hot new tech that is capturing the public imagination? If that leap is successful, you get to open up a huge new line of business and challenge Goog…

> Microsoft would be stuck in the same dilemma if, say, someone came up up with a futuristic-looking disruption in the spreadsheet space and Google Sheets was quick to adapt to it.

I feel like they basically are. It’s probably been close to a decade and Google’s online collaborative features in their office suite is far and above what Microsoft has managed to cobble together.

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by recuter »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #47
FooBarWidget wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT can run on our laptops? How? The only thing I could find was that it can't because it requires 128 GB VRAM.

LLaMa [1] works on Apple Mx processors due to unified memory. The 7B model works on a 8GB Apple MacBook Pro M1, ~40 seconds/token. [1] https://dev.l1x.be/posts/2023/03/12/using-llama-with-m1-mac

I get 220ms/token on an M1 8GB Macbook Air, so ChatGPT speeds. on a 32GB M1 Max it babbles faster than my ex-gf.

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by casebash »

notaigenerated wrote: post #16

Openai changed it course. Time for rebranding! ClosedAI? MicrosoftAI? What do you think it should be?

I actually think that open source AI will be a terrible idea for sufficiently advance AI for the same reasons that open source nukes or bioweapons would be a mistake. So I'd be very happy to see them change their name to ClosedAI.

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by Vespasian »

donpark wrote: post #35

Neither their name nor history matter to me so, as long as their services are useful and pricing is reasonable, I will continue using OpenAI services.

That's a reasonable position to take and probably makes a lot of business sense.

Yet it's great to see that there are alternatives emerging as this forces OpenAI/Microsoft to innovate and hopefully limits their ability to hike up prices once they've captured the market in a year or two.

We don't really need another quasi uncontested tech monopoly

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by karmasimida »

recuter wrote: post #40
FooBarWidget wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT can run on our laptops? How? The only thing I could find was that it can't because it requires 128 GB VRAM.

https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/issues/39 40GB for the big llama.

Even biggest Llama is like 1/3 size of ChatGPT

Re: How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really?

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Post by Vespasian »

casebash wrote: post #57
notaigenerated wrote: post #16

Openai changed it course. Time for rebranding! ClosedAI? MicrosoftAI? What do you think it should be?

I actually think that open source AI will be a terrible idea for sufficiently advance AI for the same reasons that open source nukes or bioweapons would be a mistake. So I'd be very happy to see them change their name to ClosedAI.

That may well be but a single for profit company like Microsoft will be a terrible guardian of that.

Future OpenAI usage limitations:

- anything illegal in the US and your country

- anything MS deems immoral and ethically problematic

- and anything that competes with Microsoft.

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