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Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by plmpsu »

microtonal wrote: post #44
microtonal wrote: post #29

I am a Kagi subscriber and I like it a lot, but I will probably cancel after the current month. 1000 searches per month is probably enough for me, but I hate services that change the model and pricing all the time. It's just not for me. Also, I don't really care for the AI integration. I wish they'd just have kept the unlimited searches for 10 per month plan (which I don't use up anyway, so they'd make a nice profit…

Also, they broke their promise from last year, saying that they'd grandfather-in all early adopters, as long as they don't cancel: If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up until this change) allowing them to keep their existing subscription price as long as they don’t cancel it. https://blog.kagi.com/status-update-f…

Exactly. That exact statement encouraged me to subscribe. This change is disappointing.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by microtonal »

plmpsu wrote: post #51
microtonal wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, they broke their promise from last year, saying that they'd grandfather-in all early adopters, as long as they don't cancel: If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up until this change) allowing them to keep their existing subscription price as long as they don’t cancel it. https://blog.kagi.com/status-update-f…

Exactly. That exact statement encouraged me to subscribe. This change is disappointing.

Same. I haven't used Kagi that much yet. But one of the reasons of subscribing was to opt in to the then-current terms.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by shepherdjerred »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #28

I thought people hate subscription model, yet there are enough people willing to pay a monthly fee for search that is only marginally better than free product? I'm really confused. At least Adobe products etc. are actually miles ahead of alternatives.

One of the big reasons I paid for Kagi was to support alternatives to Google.

Aside from that, it was also a good search engine worth paying for.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by Diris »

dingleberry wrote: post #41

let's mapreduce search map search-term to several search engine (using curl, headless browser and whatnot) then reduce / filter the results, removing ads etc, weighing duplicates more and punish irrelevants the search-result is then piped to your favorite browser

That sounds like searx[0].

[0] https://docs.searxng.org/

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by Ferret7446 »

kelnos wrote: post #30
jszymborski wrote: post #6

Kagi is a bit of a HN darling so I know I'm putting my neck out here, but even after trying the trial, I'm not sure what the value prop is. I would happily pay for a search engine that provided good results, but seeing as it's ostensibly Just Bing under the hood, I'm not sure what I get that I'm not getting from DDG or MetaGer + an ad blocker. Kagi doesn't strike me as a privacy alternative given that all my searches…

> Kagi doesn't strike me as a privacy alternative given that all my searches are necessarily tied to a user id which is further tied to a payment method. I agree to some extent, but also consider: if you are not paying for search, then they are going to have to monetize somehow, and the most likely way they'll do that is through selling search history/data. The only way to be respected as a customer is to actually be…

> the most likely way they'll do that is through selling search history/data

No? Google, the largest search engine, doesn't monetize by selling search history/data. I would hazard a guess that not a single free search engine monetizes by selling search history/data.

Selling ads is extremely and literally different from selling search history/data.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by talim »

voytec wrote: post #34
jszymborski wrote: post #6

Kagi is a bit of a HN darling so I know I'm putting my neck out here, but even after trying the trial, I'm not sure what the value prop is. I would happily pay for a search engine that provided good results, but seeing as it's ostensibly Just Bing under the hood, I'm not sure what I get that I'm not getting from DDG or MetaGer + an ad blocker. Kagi doesn't strike me as a privacy alternative given that all my searches…

Those are my exact feelings since testing Kagi. I did not found it appealing as a plain search engine, nor private. But they have recently shown a tech preview of an "Universal Summarizer"[1] which I have found far superior to ChatGPT (cGPT is worse than some freely available pre-trained models in this regard). I have asked Kagi and cGPT to summarize my own post[2] which Kagi did rather well (I don't have a screensho…

> I have asked Kagi and cGPT to summarize my own post which Kagi did rather well (I don't have a screenshot), while cGPT spilled utter nonsense

> https://wojteksychut.com/pic/chatgpt_post_summarization.png

ChatGPT currently has no capability to access external sources, and its training data cuts off at the end of 2021, so there's no way for it to have ever succeeded at this task. It was essentially asked to summarize an article it has never seen, so it hallucinated the entire summary based off of the words in the URL as that is the only information the model was provided. For a more equivalent comparison you'd need to copy the text of the article into the chat input.

Of course that doesn't change the fact that it responded to your query with totally fabricated nonsense, which is a horrible failure mode that points to why it can be so hard to trust LLMs' responses, but I do believe the disclaimer popup that appears when you launch ChatGPT notes this particular limitation.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by Ferret7446 »

7vaS7SXdKF wrote: post #33

If the subscription price is not zero, the included searches are not free. In this regard, the wording of the pricing page mockup and this blog post is dishonest - or at the very least inaccurate. Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1200 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. $120/year was already a steep price compared to my other yearly subscription costs: - VPN: §50 -…

You need a paid subscription and additionally each search costs money (except the unlimited subscription)

You get X free searches per month.

It doesn't seem dishonest or inaccurate to me at all.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by 7vaS7SXdKF »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #59
7vaS7SXdKF wrote: post #33

If the subscription price is not zero, the included searches are not free. In this regard, the wording of the pricing page mockup and this blog post is dishonest - or at the very least inaccurate. Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1200 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. $120/year was already a steep price compared to my other yearly subscription costs: - VPN: §50 -…

You need a paid subscription and additionally each search costs money (except the unlimited subscription) You get X free searches per month. It doesn't seem dishonest or inaccurate to me at all.

If I pay $10/month for 700 searches then the price for these 700 searches is $10/month, they are not free. The price per query for the additional searches is just higher.
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