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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by philliphaydon » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

shjake wrote: post #28

pfizerapproach wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.

Same applies to drugs? No? Isn’t the point of the FDA to limit the consumption of potentially harmful substances despite the willingness of someone to consume it?

Not quite sure what the FDA purpose is anymore. I donno if it’s true but I saw in a documentary that once drugs are approved they can be changed and don’t require reapproval. I don’t quite understand how the FDA works anymore other than a barrier to entry.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by yufeng66 » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

I can see how this end. Musk decided to do more experiments on monkeys. Soon monkey + chip become smarter than human. And human cease to exist shortly after.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #42

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

It's not been a Holmes / SBF overnight reveal, it's been a long slow decline due to his twitter usage since the "diver paedo" incident.

Yeah, calling a selfless rescuer earnestly trying to save the lives of some children a pedophile was when I started to stop respecting him as a human being. I stopped respecting him as a professional when the racist Tesla workplace and management started coming out, with allegedly black people being shuffled off the floor when Elon walked through the factories so he didn’t have to see them.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by weevil » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

Comments about Musk's politics and personality have trended upwards along with his increasing political and personal comments. He didn't need to behave this way.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by uToob » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #15

stephc_int13 wrote: post #8

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You can say Musk is suspect without resorting to ableist slurs.

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by lawn » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

The more surprising thing is the amount of people defending Elon.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:34 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #33

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

I mean, I've thought he was a weird idiot since before it was cool, but I think the Twitter debacle really has made it a lot clearer to people (and has made me revise my previous assessment; I hadn't previously realised he was _this_ bad).

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by lawn » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:34 PM UTC

anotherman554 wrote: post #49

fredgrott wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is a personality disorder not Asperger, for example Trump has the same problem not due to Asperger but due to the personality disorder he has.

Mental health criteria are ultimately going to reflect what society considers "normal". Since 46.9 percent of voters voted for Trump I'd say society considers him "neurotypical".

That normal people vote for him does not imply that he himself is normal.

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Post by anotherman554 » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

lawn wrote: post #58

anotherman554 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mental health criteria are ultimately going to reflect what society considers "normal". Since 46.9 percent of voters voted for Trump I'd say society considers him "neurotypical".

That normal people vote for him does not imply that he himself is normal.

I'm guessing the vast majority of people who voted for him don't believe he has a personality disorder. While I admit I'm making an assumption, if I'm correct I'd say that makes him "normal."

Ultimately, if you are what people think of as "normal" you are normal.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

ladyattis wrote: post #32

photochemsyn wrote: post #21

Even DARPA dropped the idea of brain surgery and has gone back to non-invasive technology, Neuralink should do the same. (2018) > "To try and figure out how to make this technology more accessible and not require surgical placement of a metal probe into people's brains, DARPA recently launched the NExt-Generation Nonsurgical Neurotechnology (N3) program. The plan is to make a device with similar capabilities, but it'…

Such devices are a dead end, imo. I think the next generation of BMI will likely be something you can put on your head like old time headphones with some being even less invasive than that maybe as mere 'pebbles' you just put on your temples or where ever else is potentially optimal for interacting with the human brain.

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