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Drug Companies Can Legally Start Selling Cocaine, Heroin, and MDMA

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Re: Drug Companies Can Legally Start Selling Cocaine, Heroin, and MDMA

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Post by short_sells_poo »

renewiltord wrote: post #42
gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DEA is evil. They drag their feet in allowing FDA approved medicines to be approved for sale. There was a law passed recently that they had N months to schedule it because they kept taking so long. If a single person in a study says a medicine gives them feelings of euphoria it can be subject to scheduling, which makes it an epic pain in the ass to acquire. They don’t allow electronic prescriptions to be sent for…

A friend of mine calls this Suffering Theology. Anything that might bring pleasure is bad. It's why so many medical justifications had to be made to make marijuana legal. It's why we have to say "oh, shrooms heal depression" or whatever shit before we can decriminalize. There is a deep Puritanism that ramifies through America. Suffering is necessary. Pain is necessary.

I'd say it's likely much more banal than that. There are armies of bureaucrats and agents whose livelihood and source of influence is rooted in the war on drugs. It is against their interests to go easy.

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Post by dragonwriter »

ufmace wrote: post #12
coin wrote: post #10

In the US MDMA started off as a legal drug until the mid 80s when the DEA made it illegal

Man, I remember the time when we had to pass a constitutional amendment to make a substance illegal. Now a government agency can just declare substances illegal without needing to justify it to anybody.

> Man, I remember the time when we had to pass a constitutional amendment to make a substance illegal.

You mean the one adopted for alcohol after prohibition started, and which made it so that we had to pass a Constitutional. Amendment to allow the substance?

We always had the choice to do that for other drugs to make it harder to legalize, but its probably a good idea we haven’t.

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Post by ddulaney »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #30
ddulaney wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they were born before 1970, which was when the Controlled Substances Act allowed the executive branch to make certain drugs illegal :)

The controlled substances act is not a constitutional amendment.

Before the CSA, the most notable legal instrument for banning substances was the constitutional amendment.

After the CSA, the most notable legal instrument for banning constitutional substances was an administrative decision.

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Post by selectodude »

recuter wrote: post #21

When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…

Cocaine is legal and schedule II here in the United States already. As is methamphetamine.

https://www.lannett.com/products/numbrino/ https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/00...

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Post by sjy »

simonh wrote: post #37
ufmace wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I remember the time when we had to pass a constitutional amendment to make a substance illegal. Now a government agency can just declare substances illegal without needing to justify it to anybody.

Other legal methods could absolutely have been used at the time, making it a constitutional amendment was a tactic. The idea was to make it difficult or impossible to challenge or repeal. If it was a medical regulation, that could just be changed by a later administration. A law might be challenged before the Supreme Court. A constitutional amendment insulated it from Supreme Court oversight and made it much harder t…

It was not really a tactic, they didn’t believe the federal government had the legislative power to effect prohibition without it: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/1201/what-were-t...

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Post by LoganDark »

selectodude wrote: post #54
recuter wrote: post #21

When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…

Cocaine is legal and schedule II here in the United States already. As is methamphetamine. https://www.lannett.com/products/numbrino/ https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/00...

Yep, methamphetamine hydrochloride is sold as a prescription drug called Desoxyn.

We did a bunch of research on this when we started on amphetamines for ADHD treatment. Fortunately not meth, but dextroamphetamine.

-Emily

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Post by jameshart »

cassianoleal wrote: post #46
jameshart wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s how drug classification works - molecules don’t start off as banned.

Actually... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/legal-highs-...

Unstated - in countries with working judicial review systems. The UK legal highs laws were malformed from the start.

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Post by tayo42 »

cronix wrote: post #47
recuter wrote: post #21

When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…

We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes... Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...

can you get this in dispensaries or anything now? some how dispensaries in CA are selling mushrooms and even advertising them. I guess theres some weird middle ground? seen this in dc too, even like dmt carts. id make that drive for legit mdma lol

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Post by scarface74 »

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #31
ufmace wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I remember the time when we had to pass a constitutional amendment to make a substance illegal. Now a government agency can just declare substances illegal without needing to justify it to anybody.

The DEA is evil. They drag their feet in allowing FDA approved medicines to be approved for sale. There was a law passed recently that they had N months to schedule it because they kept taking so long. If a single person in a study says a medicine gives them feelings of euphoria it can be subject to scheduling, which makes it an epic pain in the ass to acquire. They don’t allow electronic prescriptions to be sent for…

Hell it’s a pain in the ass for me to try to keep a supply of psuedophredrine. Whenever I get a cold, let alone Covid, Sudafed is the only thing that keeps my overactive immune system in check and keeps my asthma from flaring up.

There is basically a national registry that records when I buy Sudafed. But let someone even mention a registry for guns and people go nuts.

See also: now that drugs affect “rural America” and the burbs it’s a “disease” caused by a lax government. But when it was mostly affecting “the inner city” it was because of “poor morals” and absentee fathers (who were overwhelmingly targeted by the “War on Drugs”)

And yes I’m well aware that both political parties are culpable

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