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Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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It depends on how you define a university. Medieval European universities are often considered the first true universities, because they are direct ancestors of modern universities, and their traditions have survived and evolved into what we see today. There were earlier institutes of higher education all around the world (including Europe), but those traditions have not survived.

> It depends on how you define a university. I think the institution that invented the term probably gets to define it. And that is the University of Bologna.

Language doesn't work that way.

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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Saying that proper university did not exist before 11th century is disingenuous at its best and propaganda at its worst.

It's like saying there is no proper engineering existed before civil engineering (civilian engineering) while military engineering has existed since time immomerial.

There were numerous institutions of higher learning or universities in Muslim Spain, Middle East and Italian Sicily that the latter was at the time under Muslim rule before Norman's conquest. The latter universities in Sicily then spilled over to the rest of Italy as many degree granting medical schools and other schools were established including the infamous Schola Medica Salernitana [1]. The irony is that in the English Wikipedia entry mentioned it as the first of its kind even though it's probably another copycat as it's jointly founded by the Christian, Jews and Muslim scholars at the time.

Ever wondered why all degrees granting universities using Arabic styled robe during graduation?

English and France are even more honest by using the word Bachelor and Baccalauréat, respectively as their degree names with both of the words literally mean degree granting in Arabic.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schola_Medica_Salernitana

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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> Bologna .... It invented the term "University" (from universitas magistrorum et scholarium).

So, if something meets the requirements before a word was coined to describe a set of those requirements cannot be retroactively called that?

So, for example Mathematics before the word Mathematics was coined is just mumbo jumbo. Got it!

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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Propaganda is a strong term that suggests an ulterior motive. What is the ulterior motive here for calling Nalanda a university?

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Time and again Indians prove themselves to be the most self-hating community of them all. Not everything has an agenda.

> Hindus were subjugated by Muslims and English

Which is historically true. All of North India has zero temples or structures of historic importance that are more than a few hundred years old. A Bihari Hindu should not have to go searching in Tamil Nadu for signs that his ancestors achieved things of significance.

> Indians were better

It doesn't come from a place of malice. But, as a people that have been beaten down. It does help to know that your civilization made significant contribution to shaping the world as we know it. A Muslim doesn't have to wonder, the Taj Mahal & Red fort are the 2 crowning jewels of India. India could vanish tomorrow & both Muslims + Christians would still have a flattering model of what their people had achieved in the rest of the world. Hindus are grounded in India, and (mostly) India alone. Great contributions of pre-invasion Indians do not have compete with the architectural wonders that later rulers built. Both can co-exist.

The large majority of Indian Muslims & Christians trace their cultural & ethnic origins to the populace that inhabited this land for the last (at least) 4000 years. There needn't be cognitive dissonance to acknowledge the achievements of of the common ancestor as part of a unified Indian identity.

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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Bare with me here:

Why is it that articles need to start with lines like

> "The winter morning was cloaked in thick fog..."

and postpone the actual information pertaining to the title? Instead, we have to sift through irrelevant story-like content to get to the meat of the information and facts.

Will one promise of tools like ChatGPT and their successors be to summarize-away this fluff?

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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Saying that proper university did not exist before 11th century is disingenuous at its best and propaganda at its worst. It's like saying there is no proper engineering existed before civil engineering (civilian engineering) while military engineering has existed since time immomerial. There were numerous institutions of higher learning or universities in Muslim Spain, Middle East and Italian Sicily that the latter w…

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=baccalaureus&old...

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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What does my post have to do with Hindus having/not having a land of their own?

It seems extremely obvious if you just think for a second. Are you aware that British India was partitioned along ethno-religious lines? I’m a little shocked that you’re so confused…

I guess Nepal is chopped liver then?

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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It depends on how you define a university. Medieval European universities are often considered the first true universities, because they are direct ancestors of modern universities, and their traditions have survived and evolved into what we see today. There were earlier institutes of higher education all around the world (including Europe), but those traditions have not survived.

> It depends on how you define a university. I think the institution that invented the term probably gets to define it. And that is the University of Bologna.

Won't that imply that "humans" didn't exist until the term "human" was invented?

Re: Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries

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I am not in a position to judge them. I am asking _you_ why you believe religion is a good basis to define a country.

I’m a Christian, it’s right in our Bible. God divided the nations. For most of the history of nations, division along ethnic and religious lines wasn’t controversial and was in fact the default. You’ll find large numbers of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, and Buddhists among others who agree. Perhaps, the vast majority of all of them. It might not sound that progressive but nobody ever told us what we’re progressing towa…

You might want to Google "Ganga-Jamni tehzeeb" and "composite culture" and read a little and then get back to us here. And by the way my family lived that, it wasn't some academic thing historians cooked up.
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