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Everyone and their mother advertising AI-powered features. I wonder if it's because there's a ton of value to unlock today with AI or is it because that is the only way to get funding / attention these days?
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Outside of search and import history, our free version is 100% feature compatible with the paid version. None of the core functionality (including the new AI stuff) requires a paid plan. On a paid plan, you can import and search your full history. On the free plan, you can import and search your last 90 days. See our pricing page for more details ( https://www.shortwave.com/pricing/ ).
> On a paid plan, you can import and search your full history. Now, I don’t know about you, but I have 15 years of Gmail history. I don’t think you can claim searching/looking at all that isn’t ‘core functionality’ for an email client. I don’t begrudge you the need to charge something for it, but to claim the free version has full functionality is a bit misleading.
I tried it out, but instantly realized the 'free' version is go restrictive it's useless. I get many startups want to make sure the free version isn't too good, but here the free version is unusable. Also, $9/mo for a frontend for gmail is just way too much. $108/y ??? If you're going to pay that much, surely you'd just get off gmail entirely. Why pay that much but still give up all your privacy...
I think the measure of this would be "would this make me more than $9 a month more efficient" and "is there any alternative that is a better cost/benefit", i.e. a free tool that is mostly as good. For you it might be useless, for someone who lives on gmail and charges per hour, it's probably an instant win.
Everyone and their mother advertising AI-powered features. I wonder if it's because there's a ton of value to unlock today with AI or is it because that is the only way to get funding / attention these days?
Email is the perfect tool for these new LLMs - most of us have years, even decades, of our writing and important information in our email archives. Now that we have AI which can understand that in a deep way, a ton of value is waiting to be unlocked and email is going to change. All of our tools will. I talked a bit more about this in our blog post today [1]. Also yes, attention is nice for a small young startup figh…
Hi HN - Shortwave co-founder here. We’ve built a full-featured email client over the last couple of years, just in time for the rise of LLMs. We’ve added quite a few features (and are working on many more) that use LLMs to save you time. I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through. W…
This is a good idea executed terribly badly. There's no world in which I would agree for my inbox to be sent to OpenAI. Literally people's most private messages, and even privileged conversations, are being shared with a 3rd party. One with no track record, no audits, not much in the way of controls. Hard pass. There will be a breach of OpenAI one day. The only question is if it's your emails that will be leaked.
Doesn't this just feed your info straight into some company's database?
We use OpenAI's GPT-3 API to generate summaries. We have explicitly opted out of OpenAI's default behavior of using their APIs to train their models: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is...
Does OpenAI keep the queries? I mean, it is just a POST request and the server probably logs it all, then there is the matter of if the actual AI keeps the data.
Is there something like this that does not require you to give them all your data for free?
Edit: Oh, OpenAI is partially owned by Microsoft so unlikely at this point. The real tech here is OpenAI APIs. Swapping it out on the backend with something else could drastically change it's usefulness.
It is a Gmail client, not an email client. The latter is an open standard, which is obviously not supported. That should be mentioned. Going from 0 to 9 USD / month is steep. Apparently, everyone has Silicon Valley salaries now, for some app. EDIT: apparently, they changed the title. props for that. :)
A feature like that could make the $9/month more compelling. What I’d really love is that plus the ability for the client to work fully independently of Shortwave’s servers, so that when they invariably get acquired I can continue to use it.
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I think the measure of this would be "would this make me more than $9 a month more efficient" and "is there any alternative that is a better cost/benefit", i.e. a free tool that is mostly as good. For you it might be useless, for someone who lives on gmail and charges per hour, it's probably an instant win.
Didn't they charge $9/mo before this AI stuff. What was the value then?