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Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by dragonwriter »

cld8483 wrote: post #47
popcalc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Or just live in a red state? Heh, in red states where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself? Where every other car seems to have a bumper sticker featuring the Israeli and American flag depicted together in unison? Hating Jewish people is very fringe in any American state, the mainstream will ostracize you for it anywhere in…

> where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself?

Dominionist support for Israel can easily coexist with (arguably, is grounded in) anti-Semitism, and non-Dominionist right-wing support for Israel is often more grounded in Islamophobia than positive feelings about Jewish people, and is itself compatible with anti-Semitism.

Support for Israel when it comes to American foreign policy doesn’t mean positive, or even neutral, treatment of Jewish people, particularly those immediately present around the Israel-supporter.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

#52

Post by im3w1l »

itake wrote: post #16
Topgamer7 wrote: post #11

That about me page is pretty cringe.

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Counterstrike is one of the most popular games ever and is about a group of terrorists planting bombs. As far as I know both the creator and the players are pretty well adjusted. I certainly wouldn't pass on hiring either.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by Swenrekcah »

popcalc wrote: post #46
Swenrekcah wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy to say now that this was a sign of mental illness, but that’s confirmation bias. Plenty of people have done or said insensitive stuff, especially when young, without being violent or mentally ill. Also we don’t really know anything about this particular case. The other option you mention is they perhaps grew up in a red state? Do you suggest this as a legitimate reason for firing a person?

>Plenty of people have done or said insensitive stuff, especially when young, without being violent or mentally ill. Also we don’t really know anything about this particular case. What differentiates boys like this from plain bigots is they think they can put it next to their resume. A gut feeling is all you need to tell. It's the "quiet kid in class" energy. >The other option you mention is they perhaps grew up in a…

Where in this game is the hate you mention?

> It's the "quiet kid in class" energy.

I think I understand what you’re getting at but this phrasing doesn’t make you sound very loving and embracing in my opinion.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

#54

Post by Topgamer7 »

wk_end wrote: post #38
Topgamer7 wrote: post #11

That about me page is pretty cringe.

Praising "Adolf Hitler's bolstering of Nazi Germany in the 1930's" is a little bit more than cringe.

Honestly I didn't read much further than when he described himself as a

> 27 year old straight white male programmer

and

> I am merely an extraordinary man and nothing more

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

#55

Post by BryantD »

zozbot234 wrote: post #45
BryantD wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one is fairly tasteless but it’s not clear to me whether or not it’s extremist. If the description said you were chasing Anne Frank down, that would be one thing. As is, it’s explicitly framed as pushing the limits of free speech which strikes me as a dumb kid thought exercise. And it wasn’t important enough for him to list on the standalone games pages. Now, Prophet Shooter is unambiguously anti-religious, so m…

Making an Anne Frank game while also praising "Adolf Hitler's bolstering of Nazi Germany in the 1930's" is pretty unambiguous, I'd say. Nothing that a random 8chan user couldn't have come up with "for the lulz" of course, but that website has also been associated with violent acts.

Huh. That honestly struck me as irony, given that it’s in conjunction with his grandmother’s departure from Germany. But I do see your point.

Note that the dates may not be accurate; according to a quick bit of genealogical research, his grandmother Paula married his grandfather in Bavaria in 1955 https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/i/s/Robert-S-Bishop/BOOK-000...>. Could also be that she left Germany and then returned for the wedding, of course.

Paula’s mother’s surname appears to have been Ketzler, which doesn’t tell us a ton about ethnic background. Not that it would tell us much about the attacker in any case, even if that was why she left Germany.

Edit: he had at least a bit of 4chan activity, as per his journal.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by cld8483 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #51
cld8483 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or just live in a red state? Heh, in red states where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself? Where every other car seems to have a bumper sticker featuring the Israeli and American flag depicted together in unison? Hating Jewish people is very fringe in any American state, the mainstream will ostracize you for it anywhere in…

> where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself? Dominionist support for Israel can easily coexist with (arguably, is grounded in) anti-Semitism, and non-Dominionist right-wing support for Israel is often more grounded in Islamophobia than positive feelings about Jewish people, and is itself compatible with anti-Semitism. Suppor…

The wacky derivations of their beliefs doesn't change the fact that most businesses in red states would kick you straight out the door for antisemitism or any criticism of Israel. Anti-semitism is far outside the mainstream anywhere in the country you choose. The closest you'll find to mainstream overt antisemitism is probably Idaho, but even there it is very fringe. You'll be hard pressed to even find a church that accuses Jews of killing Christ, while a century ago this was common doctrine. The American public at large no longer tolerate this sort of thought.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by zozbot234 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #33
trynewideas wrote: post #3

More details; victim is recovering: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/microsoft-employee-improvin...

Looking at his website it seems like the attacker was a mental break looking for a place to happen. His entire about me was the embodiment of the "I am an atheist" meme. Feel bad for the victim, couldn't imagine just going about my day and then getting stabbed out of nowhere.

Of course, that meme exists because there's plenty of "I am very smart" self-proclaimed atheists out there that don't run amok like this guy apparently did.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by zozbot234 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #51
cld8483 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or just live in a red state? Heh, in red states where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself? Where every other car seems to have a bumper sticker featuring the Israeli and American flag depicted together in unison? Hating Jewish people is very fringe in any American state, the mainstream will ostracize you for it anywhere in…

> where unconditional support for Israel among white evangelical protestants is more popular than in the Jewish-American community itself? Dominionist support for Israel can easily coexist with (arguably, is grounded in) anti-Semitism, and non-Dominionist right-wing support for Israel is often more grounded in Islamophobia than positive feelings about Jewish people, and is itself compatible with anti-Semitism. Suppor…

In practice, right-wing support for Israel boils down to "God hates anti-Semites. God loves His chosen people." You'd think that ought to be pretty hard to square with a Jew-hating attitude, but politics is the farthest thing from rational thinking so at the end of the day anything is possible. It's nonetheless the case that most people in right-wing states are not anti-Semitic.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by scns »

wonderwonder wrote: post #33
trynewideas wrote: post #3

More details; victim is recovering: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/microsoft-employee-improvin...

Looking at his website it seems like the attacker was a mental break looking for a place to happen. His entire about me was the embodiment of the "I am an atheist" meme. Feel bad for the victim, couldn't imagine just going about my day and then getting stabbed out of nowhere.

I once read that 2% of prisoners in the US are atheists. Without forgiveness it seems harder to take other peoples lives.

Re: Suspect, victim in Redmond stabbing both worked at Microsoft

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Post by wonderwonder »

scns wrote: post #59
wonderwonder wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at his website it seems like the attacker was a mental break looking for a place to happen. His entire about me was the embodiment of the "I am an atheist" meme. Feel bad for the victim, couldn't imagine just going about my day and then getting stabbed out of nowhere.

I once read that 2% of prisoners in the US are atheists. Without forgiveness it seems harder to take other peoples lives.

Wonder how much of that is socioeconomic. Feel like most atheists are middle class and up.

Also wondering how many of them were atheist going in and found religion. Feel like prison probably incentives religion.

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