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Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Can you explain more? I would have guessed any great collection of people is bound to slowly unravel for all kinds of reasons. Why would you place so much of the blame on money people?

Either you’re growing or finding efficiencies.

So true!!!

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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What's the audio latency? I've found remote desktop to be a bad experience as a blind developer. At a prior job we used thin clients which had decent audio performance from my desk in the office. Once Covid hit and we had to connect from home audio latency was awful and it took me an act of god to get a corporate provided laptop.

They are more like a super well connected SSH client. I think you could probably get X11 / audio up on it but I’ve never had the need to. Development on an internal fork of VS code (web page) which sets up all the build tooling for you to use your cloud top as your build eng. Includes ML based completion as well which is nice. So if you have used VS code I’d imagine the accessibility is similar as audio is rendered l…

I highly doubt I'll ever get a job at Google but that's good to know. I use VS code as my main IDE and Microsoft has done a lot of work to make it accessible.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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> Doing anything less is wasteful, and if Google was doing this before it was robbing investors. Overton window keeps moving in the direction of fuck the employees to benefit the shareholders I guess. Having a personalized space used to not be considered a perk but table stacks for working at a company not too long ago. I get that the employees aren’t in office all week but that’s kinda on google for not having enoug…

I can't think of any place I've worked where I had my own dedicated seat. There's 168 hours in a week that seat could be used and I only need it for 40.

What industry do you work in?

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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> Google has an internal-only virtual desktop tool for thin clients called "CloudTop" that it would like employees to transition to This is the end. All thin client/remote desktop solutions that I have used are laggy enough to piss off a programmer, while fast enough to fool a manager. It's the perfect killing blow to productivity and morale.

About 3 months ago I went full thin-client using similar internal tools. 90+% of my workflow is using terminals and editors that work brilliantly over an SSH tunnel. For the stuff that can't be done on a remote computer (flashing boards, physical hardware), I have a couple scripts that allow me to do that locally. The whole thing has turned out to be less work than the physical tower under my desk.

But we're not talking about the same thing here. I do also work 99% in the terminal, and SSH is perfectly okay.

But my window manager is running locally.

In a thin client/remote desktop setup the WM is running remotely. From my experience, this makes the mouse and keyboard ever so slightly laggy that's it's very annoying.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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I absolutely had lower productivity sharing a desk last time I was required to. The chair was always adjusted wrong. May as well just stay home. I'm not OCD but I've been seeing doctors for my back problems since I was 18 so frankly you're an ableist. Enjoy your health while you can.

Ableist because I didn't factor in that adjusting a chair is a horrific injustice? Can we just agree that that is ridiculous and absurd and comically dramatic? The ADA legally mandates that accommodations be made for people that need them and if you're not in that category you're being ridiculous and if you are this doesn't even apply to you.

Ableist because you assume that either the effort of getting the chair / desk / monitor adjusted correctly is trivial, or the consequences of not adjusting are minimal.

You are being ableist right now.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Google has been getting steadily stingier with personal space for a long time. My last job there was at Crittenden, and the desks were next to each other with no dividers whatsoever. That was the worst of my twelve or so locations, by far. But this really takes the prize. Personal story: in the 1980's I had about a half hour interview with Eric Schmidt, at Sun (yes, that Eric Schmidt). The one thing I remember is, he…

> if you looked at the cost for private offices vs. cubicles, they were about the same, and that must be the case because the market will equilibrate ... How? That is, through what mechanism?

Step 1: Get a Tardis.

Re: Google has gotten so cheap, employees now have to share desks

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Google (at least circa 2014 when I graduated) has slowly taken on the image of a “retirement home” (i.e. where you go to turn your brain off and clock in to get paid) in elite STEM undergrad programs. Oracle had solidified their spot, but at least at Google it used to be easy to find interesting teams if you knew people there to navigate the team matching process. Now it’s decline is in full swing, its sad but seems…

Easily product life-cycle management from marketing, i.e., introduction > growth > maturity > decline.
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