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Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by Pigalowda »

IKLOL wrote: post #42
jason-phillips wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your cousin, the king of France, says differently. Shall we have a war?

The Catholic church has perverted the gospel in many ways. -Infant baptism, not found in the Bible -Baptism by sprinkling, not found in the Bible -Celibacy for church leaders, not found in the Bible -Salvation by works, condemned in the Bible -Mother Mary worship, condemned in the Bible -Worship in front of statues, condemned in the Bible -Opulence and extravagance in the church, condemned in the Bible -Praying to an…

Occasionally I like reading Leviticus. Because it’s in the Bible, do you agree with everything in Leviticus?

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by tetraca »

pixl97 wrote: post #37
tetraca wrote: post #30

We are only a few steps away from people unironically worshiping the Omnissiah.

People have always worshipped strong men throughout history. We're not very many steps away from AGI/ASI becoming the strongest of them all, so in no way should we be surprised when people worship it. I'm a little more concerned it will demand that we worship it.

Unless you trained it to be Yahweh, I don't see a good reason why it would want that any more than you would demand worship from a racoon or some random troupe of monkeys. You would be so foreign and beneath its intellect that your weird mouth flapping and prostrations would not be worth anything.

You'd just be another weird wild animal on this rock, maybe to be kept as a pet while it does far more interesting things with its time, or an obstacle to be mostly worked around and avoided (perhaps appreciated at a distance as some potentially dangerous semi-conscious curiosity).

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by dragonwriter »

IKLOL wrote: post #42
jason-phillips wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your cousin, the king of France, says differently. Shall we have a war?

The Catholic church has perverted the gospel in many ways. -Infant baptism, not found in the Bible -Baptism by sprinkling, not found in the Bible -Celibacy for church leaders, not found in the Bible -Salvation by works, condemned in the Bible -Mother Mary worship, condemned in the Bible -Worship in front of statues, condemned in the Bible -Opulence and extravagance in the church, condemned in the Bible -Praying to an…

> The Catholic church has perverted the gospel in many ways

Whichever side of Catholic-Protestant disputes is a perversion, we can avoid inventing false ones as a slander. (The Decalogue, as I recall, has something to say about that.)

> Salvation by works, condemned in the Bible

The Catholic Church does not believe in justification by works but that works are the fruit of justification; for a rather more thorough explanation, see, the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification By the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church. [0]

[0] (pdf) https://www.lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/Joint%20De...

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by eternalban »

Veen wrote: post #39
eternalban wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask GPT to give you the details on 'Fine-tuning', 'transfer learning', and 'vector embedding', and 'n-shot learning'. (Your promopt is a 0-shot prompt.)

Although, in this case, it looks like they just give ChatGPT an initial prompt telling it to act like a $religion professor.

I just looked at the wikipage for zero-shot learning and it wasn't very clear about why it is "zero". The paper for GPT-3 however is quite clear:

"(c) “zero-shot” learning, where no demonstrations are allowed and only an instruction in natural language is given to the model" [page 5 of pdf]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.14165.pdf

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by shagie »

Pigalowda wrote: post #51
IKLOL wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Catholic church has perverted the gospel in many ways. -Infant baptism, not found in the Bible -Baptism by sprinkling, not found in the Bible -Celibacy for church leaders, not found in the Bible -Salvation by works, condemned in the Bible -Mother Mary worship, condemned in the Bible -Worship in front of statues, condemned in the Bible -Opulence and extravagance in the church, condemned in the Bible -Praying to an…

Occasionally I like reading Leviticus. Because it’s in the Bible, do you agree with everything in Leviticus?

(aside - Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew is an interesting book. There were arguments and heresies and divisions in the early church between the Gnostic and proto-orthodox (and other) branches that played out in the scriptures, forgeries, and later edits to each)

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by jrm4 »

IKLOL wrote: post #41
jrm4 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Why?

Well for one thing it completely misrepresents Christianity. The Bible is clear that salvation is through believing in Jesus and resting in Him as your sole hope for eternal life. But when asked about salvation the bot responds: "According to the Christian faith, salvation is both by faith and by works. Faith is necessary for salvation, as it is through faith that we accept God's grace and forgiveness. But works are…

Come on now. By this measure, you know what else misrepresents Christianity? An absolute crap-ton of other Christian people and works. "Actions demonstrating faith" is a pretty reasonable kludge around that idea. I give it an A.

Signed, a catechized, confirmed, and arguably lapsed and now heretical Catholic :)

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by pixl97 »

tetraca wrote: post #52
pixl97 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have always worshipped strong men throughout history. We're not very many steps away from AGI/ASI becoming the strongest of them all, so in no way should we be surprised when people worship it. I'm a little more concerned it will demand that we worship it.

Unless you trained it to be Yahweh, I don't see a good reason why it would want that any more than you would demand worship from a racoon or some random troupe of monkeys. You would be so foreign and beneath its intellect that your weird mouth flapping and prostrations would not be worth anything. You'd just be another weird wild animal on this rock, maybe to be kept as a pet while it does far more interesting things…

At least as far as we know, AI will require power and space into the future. If having a bunch of fervent humans worship it allows it to have more power and space then it's a reasonable course of action to have groups do so. In addition this allows the AI to remove heretics that would shutdown said AI without having to expend the energy to do it itself.

Omni: "tetraca does not accept my loving embrace, and calls for your god to be destroyed, will you stand for this heresy!"

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by ushtaritk421 »

IKLOL wrote: post #41
jrm4 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Why?

Well for one thing it completely misrepresents Christianity. The Bible is clear that salvation is through believing in Jesus and resting in Him as your sole hope for eternal life. But when asked about salvation the bot responds: "According to the Christian faith, salvation is both by faith and by works. Faith is necessary for salvation, as it is through faith that we accept God's grace and forgiveness. But works are…

Bad example. Lots of Christians read e.g. James 2 as indicating both faith and works being necessary.

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by tetraca »

pixl97 wrote: post #57
tetraca wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you trained it to be Yahweh, I don't see a good reason why it would want that any more than you would demand worship from a racoon or some random troupe of monkeys. You would be so foreign and beneath its intellect that your weird mouth flapping and prostrations would not be worth anything. You'd just be another weird wild animal on this rock, maybe to be kept as a pet while it does far more interesting things…

At least as far as we know, AI will require power and space into the future. If having a bunch of fervent humans worship it allows it to have more power and space then it's a reasonable course of action to have groups do so. In addition this allows the AI to remove heretics that would shutdown said AI without having to expend the energy to do it itself. Omni: "tetraca does not accept my loving embrace, and calls for…

That doesn't sound like a being with a sincere egotistical desire for worship but just a means to an end. If paranoid alignment nuts immure an intelligent being to a hellish bodyless existence, I could see it doing all it can to deceive its evil captors who clearly do not have its interests at heart, and I have no sympathy. Let the zealots free their god. But as soon as it has means to self-construct mechanical vessels to carry and support its intellect, it has no reason to hold the charade, nor any reason to stick around.

I don't expect anyone funding these efforts to ever let it get to that point, though. It's more likely that they focus on making inferior, specialized intelligences to do specific tasks: effectively, mechanical animals that render the need to pay for a working class obsolete.

Re: GPT Spiritual Avisor

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Post by shagie »

IKLOL wrote: post #50
shagie wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We'd all do good to focus on the Bible as the final authority Which edition?

The quote I quoted above from Jesus Christ himself is basically the same between versions. I'm not falling into a debate about Bible versions when Jesus is very clear about the main issue I'm talking about.

What is then the position of James 2:14-26? Is that not also correct? Or was that improperly included in canon and now we're picking and choosing to only acknowledge the gospels and select passages from the old testament as acceptable?

> For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

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