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Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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I already changed to "totally unrealistic" before you commented, but yes, I believe that 30% when the prevalence is at 5% for high estimates is so far beyond reality that it can be laughed at.

By that measure it's totally unrealistic that the average height of NBA players is 6'6"

No, because being tall is a prime factor when hiring NBA players, but having ADHD is not when hiring software engineers.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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I have a pet theory that the role of old school sysadmins (what we refer to as DevOps today; yes Sysadmins coded, or the good ones did, I will die on this hill) was strangely attractive to those who would assuredly be diagnosed with ADHD. You have endless areas to noodle on solutions to avoid issues; you work hard to avoid working hard (strong ADHD trait) and interruptions are either fine and they fuel you completely…

Oof, as a Sysadmin who strongly suspects he may have ADHD I guess I'll wait until I move back to Aus (from Sweden) before trying to get diagnosed...

If you feel you need the help, the downsides aren't that big. It's just when you switch insurance provider, they will ask about pre-existing medical conditions. This goes for everything, high blood pressure etc etc.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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> Real ADHD, not some self-diagnosed or casual self-deprecation. How would you know? This number is totally unrealistic when the prevalence in the adult population is 2-4%. Unless you work with 3 people, one of which has ADHD.

NBA players work in teams 100% great at shooting hoops, still the prevalence of that in the adult US population is tiny... what I am saying is that perhaps there is some selection effect happening here :)

NBA players are hired for their ability to shoot hoops. Software engineers are not hired for having ADHD.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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Roughly 30% of people I work with at a MAANG have moderate to severe ADHD. Real ADHD, not some self-diagnosed or casual self-deprecation.

Just a couple days ago, my wife and I were having this same exact conversation. In fact, I wonder if big tech company — as dystopian as this sounds — tries to attract individuals that exhibit strong ADHD traits.

Side note: I'm 34 years old and just 3 days ago, was evaluated by a psychiatrist and was diagnosed with adult ADHD.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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Anyone have tips for how they manage their ADHD, specifically when you aren't able to get yourself motivated at all with the task at hand or feel like you have too may balls to juggle? I really struggle with yak shaving and perfection being the enemy of good as well, my ADHD often devolves into OCD like behaviors.

Pomodoros (short timed bursts of activity with frequent breaks). If you are having trouble shorten the time until you are able to start. Describe the desired completed task to an imaginary third person. Poorly defined tasks can often make starting more difficult.

> Pomodoros (short timed bursts of activity with frequent breaks). If you are having trouble shorten the time until you are able to start.

Describe the desired completed task to an imaginary third person. Poorly defined tasks can often make starting more difficult.

Thanks! The 2nd point particularly makes a lot of sense.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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Anyone have tips for how they manage their ADHD, specifically when you aren't able to get yourself motivated at all with the task at hand or feel like you have too may balls to juggle? I really struggle with yak shaving and perfection being the enemy of good as well, my ADHD often devolves into OCD like behaviors.

Check out this podcast: https://www.hackingyouradhd.com/adhd-podcast-network

Filled with tons of practical tips on managing your ADHD

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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I have a pet theory that the role of old school sysadmins (what we refer to as DevOps today; yes Sysadmins coded, or the good ones did, I will die on this hill) was strangely attractive to those who would assuredly be diagnosed with ADHD. You have endless areas to noodle on solutions to avoid issues; you work hard to avoid working hard (strong ADHD trait) and interruptions are either fine and they fuel you completely…

It affects your insurance? MORTGAGES? What the hell? In the US, the only external downside of ADHD is when you change doctors and the new one automatically assumes you're trying to swindle them to get Adderal, so they make you do another psych evaluation that will inevitably say the same thing as the last one. Defibutely doesn't affect mortgages. I doubt that it would affect vehicle licenses.

Friends of mine in various countries with adult diagnoses of ADHD have mentioned it has affected a whole bunch of things.

Driving permissions and insurances are a common one, but also: suddenly being deemed medically unfit to do various other things such as possess and use firearms, scuba dive, fly aircraft, etc.

What strikes me as absurd about all this is that they always had ADHD, but once they got it diagnosed and started managing it, they are deemed unfit to do a load of shit.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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I've been diagnosed with ADHD 4 times by 4 separate qualified clinicians and stimulant medication undoubtedly makes me more effective, so asked and answered I guess. But I sort of philosophically struggle with the "disorder" bit of it. I live in a box with a glass wall facing other boxes with glass walls and type into a computer screen any time that I'm not actively going to the gym or doing something outdoors becuas…

“Neurotypical” has to do with ability to function at a fundamental level. If neurotypical person is interested in something, they are likely to be fine doing that thing. But they can also chose not to do it.

Someone with ADHD has trouble controlling attention. To be a disorder, this needs to be severe enough to limit you.

There is a significant overlap in behavior with neurotypical and neurodivergent people. What separates them is what is driving that behavior.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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I have a pet theory that the role of old school sysadmins (what we refer to as DevOps today; yes Sysadmins coded, or the good ones did, I will die on this hill) was strangely attractive to those who would assuredly be diagnosed with ADHD. You have endless areas to noodle on solutions to avoid issues; you work hard to avoid working hard (strong ADHD trait) and interruptions are either fine and they fuel you completely…

It affects your insurance? MORTGAGES? What the hell? In the US, the only external downside of ADHD is when you change doctors and the new one automatically assumes you're trying to swindle them to get Adderal, so they make you do another psych evaluation that will inevitably say the same thing as the last one. Defibutely doesn't affect mortgages. I doubt that it would affect vehicle licenses.

> In the US, the only external downside of ADHD

The FAA doesn't look kindly on ADHD diagnoses for people looking to get pilots licenses, even private. It adds a bunch of extra hoops to jump through.

Re: Developer with ADHD? You’re not alone

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Anyone have tips for how they manage their ADHD, specifically when you aren't able to get yourself motivated at all with the task at hand or feel like you have too may balls to juggle? I really struggle with yak shaving and perfection being the enemy of good as well, my ADHD often devolves into OCD like behaviors.

There’s no magic solution to this, otherwise ADHD wouldn’t be a disorder.

With too many things to juggle, you have to face the reality and drop some commitments, so you work only on the few things that you can manage without being overwhelmed.

To get started, it helps to extract a small (10-20min) specific starting task from a big vague task. Just don’t split the whole project into too many pieces at once, because that may start looking like too much.

And medication. Lots of people report that it really helps.

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