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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by BWStearns »

rayiner wrote: post #24
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2016/02/04/getting-...

Erdogan famously remarked: "Democracy is like a train, he said; you get off once you have reached your destination"

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by boredumb »

mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

What a fool. He should have said he was fighting earthquake misinformation in order to preserve the rich democracy of turkey.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by Darmody »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #18
Darmody wrote: post #12

People asked Elon Musk on twitter to deploy Starlink to Turkey and he said he can't because it is not approved. I wonder why.

There is a difference between war and executive priviledges. The former (Russia) unilaterally imposed a decision (war) on another government and its people. The latter (erdogan) is acting in his capacity as the elected representative of the people. Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

I never stated that Starlink has any legitimacy over an elected government. My point is that Erdogan doesn't want his people to be able to communicate freely even in the middle of a catastrophe like this.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by postingawayonhn »

vinceguidry wrote: post #33
malfist wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Approval from whom?

The state. In the case of UA that was Zelensky. In Turkey it's Erdogan. HNer often seem to have this weird idea that companies can take governments head-on.

Depends on the countries involved. The US has backed SpaceX in enabling Starlink service in Iran.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by sidewndr46 »

boredumb wrote: post #52
mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

What a fool. He should have said he was fighting earthquake misinformation in order to preserve the rich democracy of turkey.

Why does this make Erdogan a fool?

edit: I legitimately have no idea why I am being downvoted. Can someone explain?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by toyg »

remind_me_again wrote: post #42
rayiner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

It's a very subjective judgement and everyone is entitled his or her own opinion. But that one is very biased. As far as elections concerned Turkish election system is very solid as a process and implementation is solid. In the end Erdogan lost Istanbul in the last elections even after that election repeated for only Istanbul, and worse for Erdogan, the second round was much more decisive. People didn't like the elec…

Erdogan literally imprisons any opposition leader who comes close to be an actual challenger. He's done it twice already in the last 7 years.

It's just not funny anymore. Some people in Turkey might enjoy living under a dictator (after all, many did in Italy and Germany, and many do in a lot of other countries today), but let's not pretend that water is not wet.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by saiya-jin »

This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I for sure hope EU politicians are taking a note too, there are 2 existential threats to democratic free Europe long term - Russia and Turkey. Both have same ambitions, are on completely opposite side of all crucial values free world holds dear.

Luckily their competence severely lags behind their ambitions, to think Turkey was for some time considered to join EU... I think Ataturk would be heavily depressed if he witnessed present day Turkey and its leaders.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by aintgonnatakeit »

rayiner wrote: post #24
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

Erdogan is a fascist thug. He’s jailed most of his opposition.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by beaned »

mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

> Also there were many incidents of the mainstream media cutting of talks or turning away the camera when people said or did anything discrediting the official narrative.

Twitter itself pioneered this during covid. It's no surprise others learned from it.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by luckylion »

golergka wrote: post #39
mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Not sure that would make a difference. Western societies have an issue with genocide, so Russia claims Ukraine was committing genocide against Russians. If Westerners didn't care about genocide, Russia would've claimed something else, Putin certainly has no issue with genocide.

So if our thing du jure wasn't misinformation, I'm sure they'd just claim they're using their powers to combat hate speech or whatever else is culturally okay. If there's really nothing available, there's always "we need to protect the children from predators who are trying to abuse this dire situation". In the end, it doesn't matter if you're in power. Your tribe will always be with you, no matter the reason you're giving, and the opposition will be silenced.

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