Finally, a completely artificial version of the archetypical middle-aged man in a pub who is very confidently wrong about stuff. The ultimate triumph of ML, an replicant sitcom character.
Cliff Clavin?
Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad
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#52NASA: "2M1207b - First image of an exoplanet": https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/resources/300/2m1207b-first-imag...
"2M1207b is the first exoplanet directly imaged [...] It was imaged the first time by the VLT in 2004"
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#53I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…
Maybe. The way I see it- whoever has the data wins in this new AI arms race. Google would have to make the biggest blunder in history to screw this up. It's not impossible but I wouldn't count them out. Their entire existence and practice of hoovering up all data has led to them this point.
> whoever has the data wins in this new AI arms race
This has been the running hypothesis, but it’s not panning out. Tesla, for example, doesn’t have the unambiguously best self-driving kit despite having unambiguously more data. Google has tons of data, but a lot of it is intelligently-tuned noise in the form of SEO spam.
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#54Everytime I see someone finding something wrong about these things, I am reminded of Stoll in '95 https://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirv... He also had some similar things in Cuckoo's Egg. I wish I could find the quotes, but there was something about email not working all the time and therefor pointless to use. I'm glad people are finding all the flaws in ChatGPT and the LLM things now, but won'…
90% of that Stoll article has been proven completely correct.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I do think there is unique break here though, because I feel that SEO has so thoroughly ruined search in many regards that this -could- be the right moment for this. the problem here is monetization, will search even be profitable if LLMs are used for most queries? It might become a Uber/Lyft or food delivery situation where these companies aren't really able to profitably deliver the service. I don't see many peopl…
> the problem here is monetization, will search even be profitable if LLMs are used for most queries? I think that is a concern, which is why I think Microsoft has a chance to just bundle this or a more advanced version with Microsoft 365. Then you're already paying for it. That automatically puts it in the hands of millions of paying customers and corporations. You can just raise your price by a dollar a month or so…
That only makes sense if they can charge more for office 365.
Shoving more features into something people pay for doesn’t mean those feature were worth it.
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#56I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…
> half-baked product I'll make a 30,000 ft observation that LLMs, by definition, are half-baked bullshit generators. They can be useful, but they are full of warts.
as in vacuous memorizers, reciting things they've seen, sometimes in new combinations?
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#57Maybe the Butlerian Jihad will happen because computers get too dumb, not too smart.
Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad
#58There was a lot of stories like "Webb captures it's fist ever picture of an exoplanet" [eg]. My guess is that it's digesting those and not understanding that the "it's" in that sentence is critical. Here is a prior example of an exoplanet picture: https://esahubble.org/images/heic0821a/ [eg] https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/09/01/nasas-webb-takes-its-...
Did you mean "its" such as in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34359839 >? Given your statement of this being critical... :) (Advice I also gave at work today: just don't use contractions and the right spelling will usually be obvious. In an informal setting, it's more tempting, but that's the way to easily check yourself.)
Ha, I initially wrote "its" then got nervous I was wrong, overthought it and did get it wrong.
Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad
#59There was a lot of stories like "Webb captures it's fist ever picture of an exoplanet" [eg]. My guess is that it's digesting those and not understanding that the "it's" in that sentence is critical. Here is a prior example of an exoplanet picture: https://esahubble.org/images/heic0821a/ [eg] https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/09/01/nasas-webb-takes-its-...
Did you mean "its" such as in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34359839 >? Given your statement of this being critical... :) (Advice I also gave at work today: just don't use contractions and the right spelling will usually be obvious. In an informal setting, it's more tempting, but that's the way to easily check yourself.)
I like that this thread points out even humans have difficulty with that construction sometimes. We're trying to hold Google's language model to a higher standard than humans in this case I think. I remember "learning" thousands of bits of trivia like that from people who had misinterpreted something they read and misstated it in such a way.
Of course Google has already been putting often-incorrect summaries/factoids in its search infoboxes for a few years now.
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#60I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…
> and launch a half-baked product
It'll be fortunate if it's only half-baked. These digital assitants are already rough around the edges with how they sometimes confidently provide inaccurate information.
Add on Google's absolutely abysmal product development track record and the internal confusion over being forced into doing this and this isn't a stand alone application but it's being integrated into something, and it's a lot.