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MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

Don’t forget the second amendment!

I think the second amendment was probably intentionally not mentioned.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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2cb made me feel like was having a heart attack for 2 hours and my gf threw up. No where as fun as mdma is

Damn that's crazy, I've taken it probably 20/30 times and never had an issue, and taken it with groups of 5 or so folks and never seen that issue, not doubting you at all, just never heard of that reaction. Powder or pill? Are you sure it was good?

I bought it as a powder. We snorted a couple mgs. I tested it with one of the reagents and it checked out. I think I'm sensitive to vasocontriction. I'm aways freezing on psychedelics, this one was particularly bad. Shallow breaths, cold, tight chest. If I wasn't on drugs I would have gone to the hospital. Sex was intense though, and light visuals towards the end with trippy thoughts that just shut off at pretty much 2 hours on the dot.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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This is fantastic! I am generally very pro-psychadelic - they seem like they can offer unique aid to people and they are not very prone to abuse. The only "downside" is that, because outcomes vary widely (though are generally not negative, simply unhelpful), it's hard to call them "medicine" in the way that, say, asprin is medicine. However, with the proper understanding, I'm hopeful they can be a really helpful tool…

> because outcomes vary widely, it's hard to call them "medicine"

Is that so different from any other psychiatric medicine?

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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This. I have no judgement and plenty of my own demons (alcohol). That said, the swing in my lifetime on marijuana legalization (as one example) is telling. From “smoke the devil’s lettuce and put your baby in the microwave” to “it’s natural, there are no negatives whatsoever” is very troubling. There is no free lunch and there absolutely are negative effects with all of these substances. Of course alcohol is the reig…

In what way is that happening?

Cannabis and other popular psychoactive drugs (including alcohol, of course) have impact on everything from the dopamine reward system to fundamental perception.

If you take a few shots at 9 AM everyday few people will debate whether you have an alcohol misuse disorder and how problematic it is. Alcohol does it’s job - pumps your reward system and alters your perception of reality.

More and more, if you wake up at 9 AM and take a gummy, hit an incredibly high THC vape, etc it’s called medicine. While it won’t kill you and destroy your life as efficiently and ruthlessly as alcohol will I think there are fundamental issues and lasting effects from hacking dopamine rewards and using psychoactive substances to alter your reality.

The biggest difference here is how directly toxic alcohol is to the body (liver, brain, heart). Marijuana and others are substantially better from a “your body will physically give out from this” standpoint but that’s a low bar.

At one point in my life I was prescribed what I later learned to understand was an incredibly high dose of Klonopin. Drugs that bang on dopamine, GABA, etc are a sledge hammer for “life is suffering” the Buddha talked about. By the way, I‘ve met a lot of people with poly drug addiction issues and they respond to my klonopin experience with shock and amazement. FWIW it’s worth I fairly quickly realized the impact this sledge hammer hack was having on my life and quit it cold turkey. Now I know I could have died from it but I’m happy to be back to reality and process the struggle that is life with a scalpel instead of a sledge hammer.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

The Australians I know tend to have this weird cognitive dissonance where they bemoan the nanny state they live in, and then complain about the lack of rules in the other countries they visit

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

I'd far prefer people overusing psychedelics than the current trend of overusing alcohol, painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.

you think people would substitute alcohol, opiates etc for psychedelics, and this would result in a net good?

I think what would it actually happen is more and more unprepared members of the general public would have really bad trips.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

… that is only there because you are putting chemicals in your body. ‘Love beyond comprehension’ thanks to a drug doesn’t sound very fun to me, it sounds like something out of Brave New World.

Wrong. This is one of those things where you can't speak about (authoritatively, judgmentally, whatever) unless you have experience. It gives you a fundamentally new experience you have not had unless you have tried it, so you can't judge it as "synthetic" or "real" until you try it. With that bottom line out of the way, I want to help rehabilitate your view:

Maybe one way to view which correctly re-emphasises the "natural"/positive nature of the experience is to view entheogens/empathogens as a "performance enhancement" (or in gamer parlance, a cheat code) that gives you access to states of consciousness that you could indeed achieve sans external chemical assistance (ECA) with sufficient, work, practice, discipline, focus (interested? Energy work: breath, yoga, meditation, energy, diet). Then a question becomes: are you someone who likes to play with cheats on or not? But a more important question: you, who never even knew you could feel this incredible way, combined with the aid of this external chemical assistance which permitted you to discover that, now, having a taste for how expansive/loving/[appropriate-adjective] your life/experience can be, commit yourself to play this game of life without cheat codes and develop your capacity more in order to create, sans ECA, these experiences.

In BNW aren't things "force administered" to create a desirably compliant/utilitarian population? Indeed, nightmarish. But if you take it of your own choice, it's different.

These chemicals are probably powerful tools. Of course, people can choose to abuse those things and harm themselves and others, or just be generally grumpy about everything no matter what anyone says (which itself is a matter of perspective, something with which ECE can aid). So people can also choose to make the best use for themselves of those tools.

It doesn't mean you have to try, or even be open to. But before you talk on something you don't know and attempt to pass premature judgement incorrectly upon that, be open to realizing that there's a "step change"/watershed between what you know right now, and what you know once you had a good experience on them. In a similar way that you can't really know what it's like to have kids until you have them. It opens up your world. And what you do with that, just like kids--whether you fuck it up or not, or use it for good or not--is up to you.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

The Australians I know tend to have this weird cognitive dissonance where they bemoan the nanny state they live in, and then complain about the lack of rules in the other countries they visit

Is it really cognitive dissonance that we're assessing laws individually based on merit, rather than prescribing to simple-minded political ideologies focused on vague concepts like more/less laws?

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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post #20

Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

when was the last time someone was arrested for possession of pornography?

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

#60

This is fantastic! I am generally very pro-psychadelic - they seem like they can offer unique aid to people and they are not very prone to abuse. The only "downside" is that, because outcomes vary widely (though are generally not negative, simply unhelpful), it's hard to call them "medicine" in the way that, say, asprin is medicine. However, with the proper understanding, I'm hopeful they can be a really helpful tool…

> because outcomes vary widely, it's hard to call them "medicine" Is that so different from any other psychiatric medicine?

No kidding! Might help, but won't cause harm, and you probably won't have to take it forever, matbe even just once? I know LSD has been attributed some harmful effects, does psilocybin have no chance of psychotic breaks or ???
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