This reminds of the whole crowd of artists calling for a ban of AI generated art because "it's stealing". The change will happen, whether you want it or not. So those guys'd better raise the prices for their unique, by-hand manufactured, hard worked pieces of work and leave the low-quality, generic and industrially generated ones to AI. Embrace the change, as they say.
Stop developing this technology
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#52The big confusion here is that this particular development effort is the one creating this technology, rather than diffusing it.
If somehow we could get the United Nations to agree to ban deepfake development worldwide, then surely we should enter an ethical discussion about whether we should do it or not. In a world where sophisticated actors already have access to these (and much better) tools, having an open-source GitHub repo is a good thing in my view.
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#53Can anybody demonstrate a legitimate use of deepfake software? Has it ever been used to facilitate a socially positive or desirable outcome? While I recognize my experiences are far from definitive, I hazard most would be hard pressed to name anything positive that came out of deepfake technology. edit: I’ll take your knee-jerk DV, and any others, as an admission of an inability to speak to positive utility of this t…
As one example, Matt Stone and Trey Parker made a short movie (and tried to do a feature) with deep fake technology [0]. [0] https://collider.com/trey-parker-matt-stone-almost-made-sass...
That is pretty neat, any sort of art does add cultural and social utility to a degree. Thanks for the heads up, because just about every mention I’ve seen published on the topic is more or less a horror story. I wasn’t being facetious in my query. Thanks again for the input!
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
But with cars there is an upside, we tolerate it because it is so usefull and the government does its best to make it as safe as possible, setting requirements that need to be met for you to legally use it. In this case there isn't that much upside, it's basically only being used for non-consensual porn generation and impersonating people
Upside: Consensual porn generation and consensual impersonation.
Then, it's going to be pretty hard to defend that the "downside-related" usage and the "upside-related" usage are anywhere near each other in terms of volume.
To be clearer: yeah, some people are probably creating deepfakes of their own, consensual GFs somewhere on the planet - and more fun to them. There are also comedians doing great things with that.
But let's not kid ourselves into the actual, massively majoritary usage: making someone else's life just a tad shittier, either for profit or out of pure meanness.
I don't know if there is academically sanctionned data about it to appease the HN-crowd, but when it comes out and says "yeah, statistically, talented comedians and kinky couples are only a fraction of the scammers and revenger-p.rn users.", don't count me suprised.
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#55Regardless of what I think about this technology in particular, I want to respond to this line from the second comment: [1] > on the contrary, it must be developed. No, it mustn’t. There’s not a gun to your head, forcing you to do this. You want to develop this technology. That’s why it’s happening. Technology isn’t inevitable. It’s a choice we make. And we can go in circles about whether it’s good or bad, but at lea…
>Technology isn’t inevitable. It’s a choice we make.
See and that's the problem, you can just talk about "you" not "we", because someone else will do it. Technology, and with it information cannot be stopped.
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#56How much are you going to regulate and stop? Game engines currently give photorealistic realtime content.. stop unreal and metahumans too? What about v6 of unreal?
What if this same repo was owned by Nvidia and it had some commercial interest on that product and were ready to litigate.. would everyone still pileup on it?
Is it not on some level disdain that it's just run by a bunch of guys that can be pushed around without much consequence.
Would we have a thread saying, screw it shut down ChatGPT, doesn't fit my moral world-view.. why is that absurd but this is fair discussion?
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument is slightly different here though: The OP is blaming the person who invented the machine gun in the analogy.
Which is obviously reasonable! If you know how to build weapons, don't. Let somebody else do it.
Scientist have moral responsibility not to build weapons of mass destruction for example. Too bad even Einstein couldn't keep with your advice. Scientists are sometimes not so smart. They can be fooled like anybody else.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is obviously reasonable! If you know how to build weapons, don't. Let somebody else do it.
Scientist have moral responsibility not to build weapons of mass destruction for example. Too bad even Einstein couldn't keep with your advice. Scientists are sometimes not so smart. They can be fooled like anybody else.
We're not talking about accidentally inventing a machine gun, we're talking about being cautioned about inventing a machine gun and not caring:
"Hey you're inventing a machine gun!" "No I'm not, and even if I was, machine guns can be used for many things other than violence!"
Edit: Also, Einstein in this analogy is the one cautioning about someone being able to invent a machine gun.
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#59Can anybody demonstrate a legitimate use of deepfake software? Has it ever been used to facilitate a socially positive or desirable outcome? While I recognize my experiences are far from definitive, I hazard most would be hard pressed to name anything positive that came out of deepfake technology. edit: I’ll take your knee-jerk DV, and any others, as an admission of an inability to speak to positive utility of this t…
I think some socially positive use cases could be:
- Representing assistive robots/software with friendly human faces
- Reconstructing the likeness of people with permanent facial injuries when connecting with family
Other, questionably "legitimate", commercial uses are already in production:
- auto-generated corporate training videos
- "Personalized" advertising
I'm hating it already.
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#60Regardless of what I think about this technology in particular, I want to respond to this line from the second comment: [1] > on the contrary, it must be developed. No, it mustn’t. There’s not a gun to your head, forcing you to do this. You want to develop this technology. That’s why it’s happening. Technology isn’t inevitable. It’s a choice we make. And we can go in circles about whether it’s good or bad, but at lea…
We do in fact have a gun to our heads. I don't want to ruin your life but those who know know and it starts with R and B. Look it up at your own risk.
Come on, everyone knows that ruining your life starts with metal. R&B, while annoying, is quite safe.