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Re: Elementary OS 7

#51

Elementary reimagines the desktop experience which can take a few days getting used to, however once you do it does a lot of things consistently and intuitively. So much more responsive than macOS and with nice apps, on top of Ubuntu LTS HWE kernel.

Is it still impossible to save files onto the desktop?

Re: Elementary OS 7

#52

This looks like a very polished Gnome based experience. I might give it a try at some point.

It's not Gnome, it's Pantheon, their custom desktop environment. Still based on GTK though.

> we’re shipping the very latest GNOME Web 43

My mistake. When I read this line it had me thinking Gnome.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#53

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?

Re: Elementary OS 7

#54
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?

It's not just inconvenient, I've been personally burned by this issue and am livid that Elementary OS markets itself in this way without a warning. Imagine installing Elementary OS on a bunch of PCs for charity only to discover that those users are going to be completely insecure in 2 years because you weren't informed. You might never meet those people again, and who knows what will happen to them. It's reasonable to assume a user knows how to update their computer once in a while; it is not reasonable to assume an "elementary" user knows how to reinstall their OS.

@pacifika: The Ubuntu LTS core will not help the built-in apps that won't receive updates (i.e. Mail, Web, Music, the Parthenon desktop environment), and the LTS core for version 6 (which was current until yesterday) is 20.04 LTS, so it will be obsolete in about 2 years. If you installed Elementary OS for a friend a week ago, that's not what you expected. So, you got 3 1/2 years on the long end of support and 2 years on the short end between releases.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#55

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

Yes, they lost me on the lack of upgrades. When a new version came out, I saw there were a few random blogs posts on how to do a very much unsupported upgrade through the command line. But I avoided the risk. Since I'd have to do a reinstall anyway, I downloaded stock Ubuntu and never looked back. And I was a happy Elementary OS user. Alas, I can understand where they were coming from, though, on that decision. They are/were a small, scrappy team and the QA effort for testing upgrade processes is non-trivial. They had to pick their battles on what to support. I didn't agree with their choice, but I can empathize with them on why they did it.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

Yes, they lost me on the lack of upgrades. When a new version came out, I saw there were a few random blogs posts on how to do a very much unsupported upgrade through the command line. But I avoided the risk. Since I'd have to do a reinstall anyway, I downloaded stock Ubuntu and never looked back. And I was a happy Elementary OS user. Alas, I can understand where they were coming from, though, on that decision. They…

I 100% agree, they can prioritize however they want, but please for the love of well-meaning techies, drop the "replacement for Windows and macOS" talk, and make a pop-up warning that reinstallation is going to be necessary in the future before you download, so that you don't spread it everywhere only to discover you've just sunk everyone.

It's really not that hard, just a "Note: Elementary OS does not support in-place upgrades. You will need to reinstall Elementary OS every time a new major version comes out every 2 years. If you want to support our in-place upgrade development, please donate. ".

Re: Elementary OS 7

#57
post #51

Elementary reimagines the desktop experience which can take a few days getting used to, however once you do it does a lot of things consistently and intuitively. So much more responsive than macOS and with nice apps, on top of Ubuntu LTS HWE kernel.

Is it still impossible to save files onto the desktop?

You can save files in the desktop folder but you can’t see files on the desktop area.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#58

Where is Wayland support standing for Elementary? I'm glad the project is still around, but the dream of a Mac-like HID experience won't be complete without gesture support and smooth windowing. Now that KDE and GNOME are both using Wayland sessions and implement 1:1 touchpad gestures, it's hard to recommend the Pantheon desktop (even if a lot of the apps are excellent!)

According to their Github, it hasn't progressed much since 2020-2021[1]. Apparently, there is still a Gala issue and bugs related to Plank Dock/Wingpanel holding it back[2]. There's also a proposal for a Wayland Dock for Elementary OS 7[3] that doesn't seem to have advanced much.

It seems like it was scheduled to be released by version 7, but priorities have changed. Let's hope they can polish it for 8.

[1] https://github.com/orgs/elementary/projects/12

[2] https://github.com/elementary/gala/wiki/Experimenting-with-W...

[3] https://github.com/orgs/elementary/projects/99

Re: Elementary OS 7

#59
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That does sound inconvenient, but is it so bad as to warrant three similar comments in the same short thread in the space of twenty minutes?

It's not just inconvenient, I've been personally burned by this issue and am livid that Elementary OS markets itself in this way without a warning. Imagine installing Elementary OS on a bunch of PCs for charity only to discover that those users are going to be completely insecure in 2 years because you weren't informed. You might never meet those people again, and who knows what will happen to them. It's reasonable t…

I'd bet that money and humanpower would have fixed the problem, but they didn't have enough of either. The problem was that Elementary OS was a very ambitious project, but they didn't have the same people and money resources that an Ubuntu or Red Hat has. Has that's changed? (I don't know.) And maybe this is a communication issue on their part. They innovated with adding a payment button on their downloads page years ago, which ruffled a lot of feathers. Maybe they should have gone bolder and added larger payment tiers. "Want free upgrades? Click here to pay $600,000 to fund a team of 3 for two years!"

Re: Elementary OS 7

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At this point in my life I'm just not willing to look at a desktop environment besides macOS and Windows unless it is completely different . Is there anything out there that is trying radical new concepts and not just trying to emulate macOS/Windows/Gnome/KDE et al?

You are talking about "Tracker", the main GUI of Haiku. Read the user manual for all the niceties it has.
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