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Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by bdcravens »

option wrote: post #35
tapoxi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.

Their safety record and ratings are actually one of the industry’s best. If you consider a car, please do your own research on this - check out actual ratings agencies reports, not news sites. Regarding Musk - this is a weird argument. Are you endorsing oil industry then, if you are buying gas car? Or China if you are buying Polestar/Volvo ev? etc.

You're comparing supporting a person with supporting an entire industry or country, which isn't an apt comparison.

It's more akin to buying a MyPillow or shopping at Hobby Lobby, both of which have founders with ideologies that some may choose to not support.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by rstupek »

tapoxi wrote: post #32
option wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.

Which controls are behind a tablet interface that you'd need to use while driving? Have you driven a Tesla? The controls you'd need while driving (audio, climate) are on the steering wheel. You don't have to look at the tablet.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by cduzz »

last_responder wrote: post #47
cduzz wrote: post #41

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Where would you get enough pickle juice to fill a gas station supply gas tank?

It doesn't take a lot of "not thing" to make a thing no longer a thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/x1mn7w/s...

And pickle juice is just an example of random impurity....

(I think the most common impurity is grit and / or water; often stirred up after new gas is added to a tank)

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by helf »

tapoxi wrote: post #32
option wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for certain large segments of EV buyers, especially in US, Tesla is objectively the best EV right now.

They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.

The safety crap with Teslas is one of my main gripes..

No haptic feedback /capacitive/ turn signals etc? wtf?

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

foxyv wrote: post #2

Looking forward to a teardown of an EA charger by someone familiar with power circuits. I wonder if they are shorting primary to secondary and getting 2400V AC straight into their car battery... Probably welding the plug to the car too.

Spot Welding America

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by CaliforniaKarl »

foxyv wrote: post #2

Looking forward to a teardown of an EA charger by someone familiar with power circuits. I wonder if they are shorting primary to secondary and getting 2400V AC straight into their car battery... Probably welding the plug to the car too.

What?

> CCS vehicle inlets are equipped with an electromechanically controlled locking bolt … designed to withstand high pull-out forces.

Source: https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/use-ccs-connectors-to-si...

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by ilyt »

amelius wrote: post #30
ilyt wrote: post #22

I'd imagine overvoltage/overcurrent protection should be on car side ? It would be interesting root cause analysis to see what caused that.

I dunno but with computer power supplies and the like the protection is always in the PSU.

It's kinda weird in case of cars. The "PSU" (the device that converts current and voltage and sets the right value for charging) in case of AC charging is in the car, but for DC charging it's pretty much "car asks for that much current, charger provides".

So DC charger going haywire could damage the battery, and say DC charger putting high voltage on the control lines could also do some damage. Protecting against both is possible, just adds cost

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

russfink wrote: post #6

Gas pumps get periodic state issued inspections. Why not EV chargers?

I've said this as well. It is exactly what's needed. Local Weights and Measures inspectors should be going to EV stations and giving out fines for stations that are misbehaving.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by yabones »

wara23arish wrote: post #33
helpfulclippy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Last year I literally put a spreadsheet together of every single electric car approved for sale in the US, with columns for every specification I cared about. I expected to find Tesla to be overhyped, just based on the fact that it is run by a relentless hypefiend. But for what I wanted (a hatchback with fast acceleration and decent range, and big enough to accommodate a bike without taking the wheel off), th…

im curious whats your problem with Sony? I’ve generally loved their products ever since using the CD players

Could be the rootkit scandal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Post by bdcravens »

jackmott42 wrote: post #44
tapoxi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a pretty poor safety record with regard to Autopilot/FSD, not to mention way too many controls are behind a tablet interface that you should not look at while driving. It also implies I'm endorsing Musk and I'd be embarrassed to drive it. I'd much rather take the pain of CCS with the hope that the infrastructure bill smooths things out or grants supercharger access to CCS vehicles.

All you have to do to avoid the FSD safety issues is spend $10,000 less dollars and not get it. Also I wouldn't count on the CEOs of Hyundai/Ford being less gross than Elon, they just tweet less, which is good.

Phantom braking doesn't require FSD.
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